August 25th, 2010
Footy Flirting: How Much Is Acceptable?
To break up, or stay faithful? Javier Mascherano, Kaka & Cescy feel the pain of indecision. Images: Getty Images, AP Photo via Daylife
We’re used to football players having a somewhat ‘loose’ grasp of fidelity in relationships. How these guys haven’t figured that using prostitutes and/or sending photos of their man-parts to random girls is not acceptable behaviour within a loving relationship we’re not sure, but the debate certainly whiles away many a happy hour in the Kickette office.
Obviously, infidelity in a relationship is a no-no, but what about when it’s on the pitch? How do you feel if your fave boy begins flirting with another club – or just as bad – if a club starts flirting with him?
Do you brush it off as he’s merely taking care of business so he can getz paidz** in a totally acceptable ‘gangsta stylee’? Or is it time to freeze him out and spend your time bemoaning his wandering eye with your totally faithful girlfriends? (Metaphorically, of course.)
Do tell, Liverpool fans: are you all bish, please about Javier Mascherano apparently being too lovesick to play, despite being in a long term, committed relationship with your team? Does Manchester City’s cash flash courting of Kaka last year seem like little more than shameless hustling?
Give us your best betrayal bulletins, people. Let’s start us a list of offenders. How far is footy flirting allowed to go before you call time?
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**If you are dating anyone who speaks like this, we suggest making alternative arrangements.
I'm Pole and I love Łukasz Podolski. He's sooo cute ;*…
I recently read that Lukas Podolski was actually begrudgingly sold to Bayern Munich back in the day when he was playing for Koln. So as soon as he found that he wouldn’t be having a lot of playing time at Bayern and he was free to go somewhere else, he went back to Koln. And he routinely thanks the fans their for their support. THAT’S loyalty.
Ugh! Im a liverpool and Barca fan, and I feel drawn to 'Chicharito' and Xabi/Iker! UGH!
I am glad for once, my team real is taking a second place in transfer season, I know there was a lot of talk about Maicon and linking to us, but there was never a disrespecting behaviour from our side. Since Maicon is one who is willing and wants to fellow Mourinho to Madrid. All other signing was done in professional way and very classy.
As much as a lot of Madrid fans hate perez, like me but I respect his work ethics in transfers.
Btw, since it is my first time writing here hopefully it won't be the last, a special greeting to barcelona fans over here, you are different than another fans in other forums and in general barcelona fans are arrogant make me hates the club by being very disrespectable to my beloved team, although I respect xavi, pique, messi and inseita!
Hola! I was saying to my friend a while ago how I’m kinda jealous of Madridistas right now. While we are pulling our hair and losing sleep over transfer issues, y’all have been entertained by Sergio, Alvaro, Albiol and (just very recently) Xabi Alonso tweets. LOL Kidding of course, but I hope you get the joke.
Ugh. I need my sleep back, Barca.
i am a barca supporter forever and i believe cesc belongs with us.he is homesick and we welcome him (also i cannot stand to see my love pique be sad because his best friend isnt at barca. NO MORE TEARS GERARD.however, im glad he stayed with arsenal another year because they are my second EPL team, after livpool. its just a matter of time before cesc is at barca and life has to go on.
and as for mascherano, i never liked him at liverpool and i dont want him at barca…he thinks the sun shines out of his behind and i dont like that.
If a club wants a player thats fine…its all about how negotiations or whatever happen…the buying clubs just need to respect the selling clubs. i'll admit i was REALLY PISSED off with Barcelona & their players…Some men (xavi, for instance) really disrespected Arsenal at some points this summer…
what did xavi do? soryy, for askng….
He said that Fabregas would leave Arsenal in Jan when 'Arsenal is out of the title race' because we 'are not competitive'
verdad??? is this confirm? maybe misunderstanding?
http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Cesc-Fabregas-could-join-Barcelona-in-January-when-Arsenal-are-out-of-title-race-says-Xavi/9425/
well,this is too much..::losing my respect::
(i personally hope that quotation wasn’t from him)
Hold up! Here I go again, have to defend my Xavi bebé! These quotes are not confirmed! Please don’t believe ‘em unless we actually see those words come out of his mouth. And really, Tuttomercato? Why would he be speaking to Italian media?
yeah, ppl, dont hate on xavi, hes adorable and im sure he didnt actually say that, if he did, he didnt mean it
I reeeaally hope so cuz i’ve started losing respect for him…& i’m not the only one
can I invite all my fellow Barca fans to sign my Cesc Peace Treaty in the Community section? I know it sounds corny but please we need to stop the fighting right now and rebuild our relationship with the Arsenal fans. Zlatanista, Barcelista I need your help…
I´m coming! As soon as the kids are in bed
I’ll sign it too.
I’m there honey!!
si! i will sign too
Hold up, I’ll sign too!
It's probably best we all take a deep breath & a step back about this whole Cesc situ (at least I am going to) and think of the splendor of the upcoming weekend! That's right – La Liga & Ligue 1 to start in less than two days!! Time to focus on Yoann, Pique, Xabi and the ginger stubble coming back on his delicate face, The Ramos and his new haircut's La Liga debut, David Villa and his soul patch, Carlos Bocanegra, Ibra, skanky but delicious CR, probably forgetting someone…… Temps probably still very hot in Spain, so I am guessing many, many, many shirts will be coming off! Can't wait!
Talk about flirting your way into another club, eventhough, I don't mind it…
Can anyone explain this picture?
http://barcelista.blogspot.com/2010/08/this-cant-…
Photoshopped Fabrique? Or just one of Pique's insane attempts to charm Cesc-y into joining him at Nou Camp?
Seriously..girls is this some upcoming Cologne? or BFF advertisement or am I missing a clear work of cropping, chopping and photoshopping here?
yeah that pics photoshopped. i remember reading a tumblr on fabrique, and it showed the actual picture thats from a movie called like shelter or something, and it was in color. whoever made this pic cesc and pique put it in black and white to make it look more real.
Another on-going (never *effing* ending!) transfer story is that about Zlatan. In this case it is not the player who is behaving badly or flirting with other clubs. In this case it is the club who is having a hard time controlling all of the rumours that their behaviour has resulted in. FC Barcelona and Zlatans a**hole of an agent has turned this in to a distasteful soap opera.
Zlatan has always said that he wants to stay and the club has said: "oh, yes Zlatan is so important for us, of course we want him to stay" but then you read about their constant efforts to sell him. I´m getting a little bit disappointed. This is my absolute favourite club, i wish that they could start putting things straight in this case soon.
In the latest reports it is suggested that Zlatan and Pep doesn´t get along, And that would not come as a surprise to me. I have followed Zlatan since his time in Malmö and he is close to my heart, but i don´t think he is an easy person to work with . He can be very stubborn and somewhat arrogant. I have very often thought about abandoning him. But i repeat, in this case it isn´t his behaviour that has been the problem.
In conlusion i think that he should move. For his own sake and to get this affair behind us. I love Barca and i love Zlatan, but they need to stop now. It´s sad that it should end this way, but the longer they keep this thing up the more it hurts.
You took the words right out of my mouth!!
His agent should get dumped big time.. He is the one who screwed it all up and instead of focusing on his player and the players relationship with his club, he creates rumours in attempt to "push" (yes push!) another transfer (because of all the money he gets from every transfer).. An agent who actually cared about his players carreer wouldn't talk this much s*** in the media!! God I really hate him!!!!!!
Agree that it is time to move on.. I hope for the best for Barca and of course also for Zlatan!
Hear, hear!
*career.. Typing fast is a really bad idea!
Oh my god, I feel your pain. And since you brought this up… This got me thinking…
WHO DA HELL IZ BARCA’S COMMUNICATIONS/PR MANAGER??? I tell you, I am this close to quitting my job here in my PR agency and going up to FCB’s board to demand that I take over that bozo’s job so I can stop this f*ckery.
Yes, do that! If i can only convince Zlatan to ditch his agent ( hell a monkey would do a better job), we will have these matters sorted out asap, and in a classy manner. Whooa, that bucket of tequila is really making me creative!
Yes, all this Ibra-Barça is annoying, and hope they solve in the best way! That “NOT FEELING” from Pep (the same happened with Etoo) doesn’t like me, something REALLY BAD must happened (I’ve heard from some comments that Ibra and some players aren’t the best mates… who knows if that is true, but the case is that something happened for sure…)
yes it’s really frustrating. i feel so bad for ibra, especially since he seems so happy when he’s with his teammates. last night, fcb won the gamper trophy, and though he was magnificent during the game, he didn’t join the team in the celebrations
slightly offtopic: here’s a link to some photos from the gamper… check out the last one. wtf is UP with xavi’s shorts?!
http://capitacinco.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/gamper-2010-puyols-1st-match-and-2nd-trophy/
Thanks for the pics
Love the ones with Dinho being a part of the team again! He gave us so much for so many years!!!! *wiping away a tear* (well almost)
And yeah something is definitely wrong with the shorts – Xavi's face expression on the photo isn't exactly the best either
OH. MY. GOD. Nothing's wrong, everything's actually perfect in that shorts of mi Xavi bebé! Lalalala–Oh shiiiit and I think Xavi just read what's inside my mind (look at that face!). Must. stop. staring. now.
I am so mad at Barcelona right now for being so damn incompetent, arrogant and cheap. If I had an official membership card I would mail it back to Sandro Rosell cut up in pieces with an giant "F*** You All" note attached. After yesterdays heated exchanges with Arsenal fans I'm just gonna stay out of any Barca-related transfer discussion. You're right Zlatanista he should just move on to another club where he will be appreciated. No club is worth going through this much bulls*** for.
We would love to have an athlete of his calibre at Milan. Just saying.
Have any of you read Soccernomics? The authors point out at numerous points that Milan really strives to take care of their players and integrate their new recruits (ie, by helping the family get settled, etc, language coaching if they need). I think it's really interesting that other clubs DON'T really have any sort of these programs in place.
Actually, I think it's really interesting, in general, that given the amount of revenue this sport generates in Europe, clubs are so badly managed. I'd do a better job, for Christ's sake, and I'm sure most of you girls would as well !
You can have him! At least Milan will treat him with respect and value him.
Milan were onto Sports Science really early right? Milanello opened in 1963.
English footballers were still going out for post-match pints with fish and chips until the mid-90s when Arsene Wenger came along.
Yeah, they were pioneers with the Milan Lab, and the authors talk about that – the whole phenomenon of sports/science, how English 'ballers lived very unhealthy lives, etc., etc.
It's really a fantastic book, so interesting, I highly suggest reading it if you're interested in the game! It's full of interesting tidbits and it's very humourously written!
The more i think of it a move to Milan wouldn´t be bad. I really love some of their players and it is a fine old club. Only thing is that it´s owned by Berlusconi. Yuk!
Yeah … unfortunately, Berlusconi owns, oh, half of everything in Italy.
Berlusconi the politically-incorrect, womanising, scandal-ridden Prime Minister I would avoid like the plague but Berlusconi the owner of AC Milan I have great respect for. Say what you want about the man, when it comes to football he always puts AC Milan's interests above all else. Unless I'm wrong Rossanera, please correct me.
No … I think you have a valid point. It's just hard for me to keep the two personas separate sometimes. Are you a Milan fan, Lisa? Where are you from?
sorry for the delayed reply. I wouldn’t say I’m a Milan fan but I do have a soft spot for them. They were a big part of my youth with all their great teams in the 80s and 90s.
I am from the Maldives, we are a small but football-mad country. We used to get the british programme called Football Italia over here, so that’s how I followed AC Milan.
In truth, I fell in love with all things Italian during USA ’94. Italy had Signori, Berti, Maldini, Dino and of course Roberto Baggio. After that I was hooked. Very attractive people those Italians (understatement).
Those were the golden years …
… those men are LEGEND.
Looks like it's on, chicas:
http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/noticies/f…
Your approach of the matter is childish, and tells a lot about your loyalty to the club.I'd call Ibra completely useless if it wasn't for his goals against R.M and Espanyol.He scored 21 goals last season and assisted 11 others.Now normally that would look good for a first season moving from Calcio to La Liga only it's not when you have the best play maker of the world(Xavi) supplying you along with Messi, Iniesta, Alves and Pedrito. If you watched last season's matches(which I doubt) and had a little football knowledge, you would know that Ibra wasted more opportunities than the whole team put together.Last season Barça had NO Striker. Thank god for Messi and Pedrito. The club doesn't owe Ibra anything, it's actually the other way around since we sacrificed our best striker(Eto'o) and 46mE for him(not to mention the huge salary he has). I'm not even gonna start on his attitude!! Pep has been on his side all season, giving him chances(not that he had a choice since he's the one behind his recruit) but all in vain. I think if AC.Milan(best move for him) can't afford him(which is more than probable), they should give us Pato or we should just sell him to ManCity with the 100m they're offering and that we need BADLY. Of course giving him ONE LAST shot is still an option but only if he drops the attitude and starts thinking like a pro, since he owes Pep and his team-mates who put so much faith in him at least that much.
I don’t think Zlatan is as useless as you say he is. And I don’t think Barca should get rid of him either. That is why I am so frustrated with all these rumours about Barca trying to get rid of him. He is still only 28 years old and has a lot to offer, despite his attitude and his high salary. I just don’t think he has properly fit in with the team yet. Of course when you have such excellent team-mates as he does (all proven winners) of course Zlatan is going to look inconsistent by comparison. Thierry Henry struggled his first season with Barca but the next one he was much more improved. Barca should give Zlatan the time and freedom he wants to develop into the player we know he can be, trying to get him is not helping matters. You can insult my knowledge of football (or lack thereof) if you want but don’t ever question my love of Barca. What you call childish, I call burning passion.
*trying to get RID him is not helping matters
I´m sorry Sanyaka, but i just now realized why people so often call us cules pompous and arrogant. It´s because of reactions like yours to the slightest criticism of our club. I am disappointed at Barca exactly because i expect so much from them. There are always to sides of a conflict and i´m sure that mistakes have been made on both sides. There is a lot of ways to show affection for a club. Blind worship is not for me.
*two sides to a conflict* i mean. I´m so tired now.
EVERYONE STFU ABOUT CESC PLEASE.
that is all. sorry.
I CAN’T WAIT UNTIL THIS TRANSFER WINDOW FREAKIN ENDS!!!!
I’m so sick of how media is milking the Cesc-Barca and Masch-Liverpool issues! And since both issues are connected to Barcelona, this is making me extra jumpy and hormonally&emotionally imbalanced!
To be really honest, FCB doesn’t need Cesc right now. The Barca shirt on Cesc was just a joke and Gunners shouldn’t always believe what’s written on the tabloids. A lot of them are fake interviews and quotes. A Masch transfer to Barca would make better sense but the way he’s acting… Dios mio! Then again, reports say that Mascherano’s family is unhappy with their lives in UK, maybe for Masch, it’s family > team, which is also understandable.
Published reports are really one-sided though… So I’m just gonna wait for official announcements. For now, anyone wants some tequila?
Edit: exactly, Neenyah. I took so long typing, you posted everything I was trying to say, haha.
Cheers, gurl!
Oh, i´d like a bucket Neenyah! Thanks!
A BUCKET?!?!?! Damn girl! Then again, with the way Zlatan rumors are being driven by the tabbies, I understand your anxiety… Here's your salt and lemon..Cheers!
LOL, thank you for understanding a sister in need!
All I’m going to say is that there are two typers of ‘Ballers, the Nando Torres Kind or the Mascherano Kind. I think you can all figure out what I mean =] x
the "Nando" kind that sold his soul to win cups because Atletico wasn't getting it done?
*rolls eyes*
alrighty then.
so true and well said. its ok to like someone but that doesnt mean that you should be blind to his faults
and i for one am so over everyone portraying him as the epitome of mankind
completely agree with you.
So true, xoWinnie! It seems like Nando was all his life in Liverpool… he left his home team to win throphies the rest we all know. I like Nando from always (since his first Atletico times, I’m from Madrid) but I’m totally agree with this comment!
Are you joking?
The boy was with Athletico since he was 10!
He did his time for the club, and wanted to advance his career somewhere else!
Is that so bad?
she's answering in response to the original comment. the 'mascherano kind' represents the one who is disloyal to the club and the 'nando kind' is portrayed as the one who is loyal. however thats not the case, since he obviously left athletico to win trophies. if he was so loyal to his club he wouldnt have left at all (cue – Steven Gerrard).
there's nothing wrong with going to a new club to win trophies but to portray him like he's a saint is just annoying and delusional.
thank you!
that is exactly what i meant.
as much as i once loved Nando, i mus say i’ve gotten extremely frustrated and annoyed with him over the past few years, not only because of decisions he made, but also because of blind, delusional, and sometimes just plain stupid statements from his fans.
during the time when it was rumoured that he wanted to leave Atletico, he often claimed to appreciate Arsenal and said it was a club he could see himself playing at. then comes Liverpool, the club which was offering more money, and had the better “reputation” (gag), and where does Nando go? surprise, surprise–Liverpool! this was my first issue with him. does that sounds like loyalty to you? the fact that his plan completely backfired got him in my good graces again. >:D but he began pissing me off as soon as the WC started. he wasn’t fit; he should’ve been benched for the first time. he should’ve swallowed his pride, and sat his ass down on the bench to let someone like LLorente take his place and help the team excel.
so you see Madenaaa, it’s the way he handled his transfer, and the reasons for it that bother me, which is what bothered me about this initial statement.
Yes, I’m agree with that opinion too. I’m from Madrid, like I said, and I have friends from Atletico and they could understand he maybe wanted to win things, but they felt dissappointed with his decision to “abandonar el barco” (they wanted their own Raúl or Totti or Gerrard, they look his mate Steven and that’s a captain in good an bad times, not Torres). He gave a great time in Atletico, and they can see his actual situation like when he was in Atletico -lack of cups, being out of Champions…-, but sometimes (for some of his words in interviews) seems like Atletico is cr*p when Liverpool at the moment are worst of them (a friend of me was saying few days ago: “Where are all those throphies that you wanted to win, Fernando? We won Europa League to your dear Liverpool… Good luck in your BIG TEAM! Now we have Forlán, who needs you?” –> and I can understand how they can feel… If he left Atletico, why to be in Liverpool at the moment if he didn’t win any throphy with them?). But there are a lot of people that hope he comes back again to Madrid and dream to see him with his Atletico shirt.
Love the game people…. seriously.
I've read tons of post and I've agreed with some, shouted at others and just rolled my eyes at the rest.
I'm hardly original in saying this, but football players love the game, getting payed for it is a huge privilege some tend to forget, but not most.
Instead of getting all angry because X moves to a new club, embrace the change it is usually for a reason that will help/refresh the team. Everyone is always after who Barca or Madrid want/don't want. Get over it. Cesc in Barca or Cesc in Arsenal I don't give a bleep, I will still support Arsenal either way, and I will still love Cesc from afar should he leave.
If you love the player, love the player; if you love the club, love the club.
If they happen to coincide, lucky you, if not, oh well.
I believe it’s f***ing time for Barça to understand that hey can’t get Cesc for now!
stop insisting is pathetic!
Excuse me? Gunners should not always believe what they read in the tabloids. Most are fake interviews.
I agree with you! it's all bulls***!
Barca and cesc, urrghh im bored.
I don't get it: did many people miss the memos that the vast majority of Barca/ Cesc stuff was fabricated by tabloids, on the basis of made-up 'interviews' that never actually took place?
I don't see how it can be said that Barca behaved 'badly', or even that Cesc did, for that matter. They made a legit offer that was legitimately declined at this time, and in the high drama of transfer season (and the excitement of the WC), it was blown well out of proportion. If anyone wants a target for their ire, send it the way of the gossip rags. There's no reason at all to believe Cesc isn't going to do his best wearing the jersey he currently does. He's a professional, he's lucky enough to do something he loves for a living, and he'll suck it up and get on with things. It's kind of no win for him at this point, though: if he does poorly, the imaginary Barca drama will be blamed. Like, I kind of feel bad for the man.
Having just played the 'players are professionals' card, I think we all should also know that it isn't just about money for most players. Like LoveFootballLoveFootballPlayers said earlier, there may be long term goals their trying to realize. There can also be family and personal issues: I imagine can be pretty wearing if you hate where you live or your wife and children hate it, and you just aren't clicking with the club that bought you like so much livestock and suddenly what you do isn't enjoyable anymore.
In short, I don't know, haha. I just…try to have sympathy where it seems to me to be deserved. It's not a cut and dry issue for me.
Well, Mesut Oezil did absolutely nothing for me in green, and didn’t seem to do much for the team, either, as far as I could tell. Now that I’ve read tons about him, it sounds like he throws temper tantrums until he gets his way. I’m not sure why getting his way means going to Real Madrid, as I know he’s a Barfa fan. But since I like him for his play, and have a crush on him because he was a good and noticeable player, I’m going to follow his team wherever he is. And because he’s not on Barfa.
Im a die hard Arsenal and Cesc fan, and i just feel like the whole Cesc to Barca situation has been very badly handled. I think on behalf of all Arsenal fans we deserve some respect from barcelona, we said no 3 times, that should be the end of it. I understand that Cesc may be homesick, but before the barcelona/spain players came out into the press urging him to join them, he was expressing his love and loyalty for arsenal :/ Cesc agreed the contract and no one forced him to sign on the dotted line, he even added on a year to it last season so he is therefore commited to Arsenal, its just frustrating that no one is really taking notice to the fact that he still has 4 years on his contract. And the fact that Barcelona made what 2 offers for cesc, both under £40 million is pretty disrespectful, for a player of Cesc’s quality and our Captain, were not going to sell him for peanuts now are we?
I’m a die-hard Manutd fan and I respect Liverpool. That being said, I never liked Mascherano and this just made my disgust for him even greater. If I was part of the management of Liverpool I’ll just have him on the bench of the second stringers for the entire season-or maybe he could be their “waterboy”… He doesn’t deserve to wear the LFC jersey! He’s so not worth it!
I think everyone needs to understand that Cesc deserves to go back to Barcelona!
i think Barcelona needs to UNDERSTAND that it will happen eventually, and the best place for him at the moment if he hopes to get ANY playing time is at Arsenal.
maybe they should get that instead of letting their egotistical players run their big mouths about it in press conferences.
Gosh,it would be wise to copy the essays I write here next time. I cliked 'submit comment' and BAMN! 'No internet connection'.
So lemme keep this simple; Barcelona FC need to realise that Fabrisimo has a CONTRACT with Arsenal FC. He is OUR captain…and as a matter of fact, WE DO REALISE that his heart is layed on Barca, and yes it does hurt…but 3 rejections surely send the message clearly. Dont they? Or perhaps someone needs to pay some hooligans who support Millwall Fc to go over to the Barcelona officials and knock those 'thick heads' of theirs into realising the utter disrespect they have shown not only to the fans, but also to FOOTBALL! He's been with the Gunners for 7 YEARS, 7 years=2555 days as an Arsenal playmaker. Why now barca? Oh because he is now a World Class player? So that you can keep up the 'competition' with Madrid? PLEASE JUST LAY OFF!
…i know -.-
my whole post wouldn't post, and then when i tried to re-post it, it was a duplicate. and THEN it wouldn't let me post the first part of what i had initially written, so i gave up.
anyways…
i agree with everything you said
but i somewhat resent the last statement seeing as i am RM fanatic
Haha what I actually meant is that they are trying to compete with the WORLD’S BIGGEST CLUB. I am a Madrista in the La Liga. Barca are doing everything they can to become the biggest club, but REAL will always be bigger, and better. Trophies or no trophies.
I’m a Barca fan and if I hear any more about Cescgate I’m going to snap. The boy is homesick and wants to go home, fine. Understandable. Arsenal has nurtured him and given him a chance to shine and their fans are upset, also understandable. But be done with it, either way. I’m sick of all the back-and-forth and drama !!! BASTA !
I totally agree… I'm a culé and also love Cesc (football, err…), but enough is enough. Arsenal said NO 3 times!
I support Arsenal and Barca, it’s not as fun as it used to because of everything going on with Cesc, obviously I want him to stay at Arsenal and i’m happy he is but I really want him to go home, he belongs at Barca, I think it’s a good idea he stays one more season and he can join Barca next Summer
If Cesc went to Barcelona he would be benched 90 % of the time. Just like he is on the national team. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Manchester City are the same at the moment, they want to buy tons of players all the time and sell the “bad” ones. I doubt that Fabregas is going to replace Xavi anytime soon so why can’t Barcelona just wait? He’s not even going to play if he goes to Barcelona!
That’s totally true! I don’t think I thought of that, but now I totally agree!
That is exactly what I told a male friend on facebook. (All he said was ‘hahaha’, stupid boy).
I love Fabregas for so many reasons, some which I cannot comprehend, and this is coming from a girl who talks a lot. He needs to realise that Xavi, and lets be honest, is a much better player that he is. Wether this is from experience or not…thus, he has to stay on the bench probably up until Xavi hangs his boots. I think Barca are playing a very selfish and childish game…now that Cescy and his cesc appeal is apparent, in other words, he has become World class, barcelona are doing that Nursery game ‘I saw that toy first, now give it back to me…its MINE’…Only like this ‘He was our player first…NOW GIVE HIM BACK TO US’.
OMG you hit the nail on the head for me. WHY cesc?! wtf would you go to barca which is mini spain and sit your ass on the bench?! are you stupid?! yes, you are homesick, but hmmm, captian your side or sit the bench, is it really that effing hard of a question? this saga b/t barca and cesc has been redic. no i don't believe EVERYTHING barca players are quoted as saying was actually said b/c that would mean too many of my roja players were talking out of their asses, but some of it was said, i can tell you blaugranas. as a newly mented arsenal fan (trying to get into epl here) i'm already sick of this. i feel for our arsenal girls who have delt with this EVERY FREAKING SUMMER. let it go barca, you don't have the money, quit lowballing arsenal. it should be a slap in the face to the player let alone the club! cesc, you are stupid if you go there.
agree agree agree!
and i watched WC qualifying! he was absolutely majestic in midfield. for sure deserved more playing time in the WC and DEFINITELY deserved more playing time than EL Niño.
"for sure deserved more playing time in the WC and DEFINITELY deserved more playing time than EL Niño"
LOLOLOL!!! True! But with Xavi there, I doubt Cesc's playing time will increase. As for Torres, TRUEFAX. He's not yet 100% fit!
plus one. it wasnt just you but i think spain as a whole played better with cesc. i've said ut numerous times that though im glad spain won the WC, they played much better during the Euro 2008 qualifiers. a reason for this was aragones used senna as the sole holding midfielder. on the other hand with senna injured bel bosque was comfortable with both xabi and busquets. however this clearly affected the passing of the ball forward, since spain's style is dependent on impressive midfield play. often times the midfielders would pass it back. torres was clearly not fit and cesc brought an added dimension to the game. im still of the opinion though that torres can never be the same player for spain as he is for liverpool. he just isnt suited to the way they play. he was injured during the WC, but he also didnt score any during qualifiers. in fact its been 2 years since he's scored for spain in an official match.
true true true!
Nando's used t
he was the Savior at Atletico, and now he's the Sidekick at Liverpool. needless to say, he's always been in a position as one of the club stars and favourites.
on the NT it's different. they have stars in D, stars in midfield, stars in the attacking positions. they're all fit for the most part extremely impressive, and at his current fitness level, he just doesn't measure up.
i honestly think this injury has seriously stunted this career, and if he doesn't take the time to get COMPLETELY fit, he will never be anywhere near the player he used to be. but he's proud and stubborn, and wants to play and start games all the time because he believes this is what he is entitled to, and that's fine. there are consequences he'll have to face because of all that.
oopsie!
complete sentence:
“Nando’s used to being the star”
That´s what i´m been thinking the whole time! There´s a big risk that he will end up on the bench, so why on earth do the change now, especially since this whole thing is so infected?
Hear, Hear!!
totally agree with you all.
I guess Cesc himself is well aware about this too,
one among other reasons why i think he decided to stay.
Arsenal treats him really well, and i'm pretty sure, as a well-mannered player, he feels like he should give some trophies to arsenal before he leaves the group.
And it's true that he won't play as much if he moves to Barca now.
I guess the fact just trumps the idea that he will be home and be with his friends.
He needs to focus on his career now, since he's still very young,,
Thank you Sergo! That is what I have been saying all along through this whole soap opera! Cesc is young and talented and deserves more than to just be a substitute for Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, etc. Is being at his dream club worth spending the prime years of his career on the bench? Cesc needs to realize what an amazing deal he has at Arsenal! They treat him like a king there. Plus, Barca cannot afford him.
Yes, football is a business and loyalty to one club barely exists anymore, but legal contracts need to be honoured. That’s part of business too. In my business, I can’t break a contract I’ve signed with a client (or vice versa) without suffering financial and legal consequences. Why have contracts in football at all if they aren’t worth the paper they are printed on? Might as well take a salary, and give two weeks notice when you want to leave!
Players take contracts so lightly, and yet the contract is there for their protection as well. A player can be injured for a long time, but the club must pay his wages.
Sorry for the rant, but this is a sore point for me.
Any way, I’ve been lucky that the players I’ve most admired in the game over the past twenty five years (Scholes, Giggs, Keane) are/were loyal to United, and as far as I know, barely entertained the idea of leaving because they knew there was no better club to go to.
Players need job security as much an other industry’s workers. It helps to have a equally loyal manager and a competent club president. Sadly, most clubs lack both.
My point is that the advantage is almost always the player’s. A player who wants away will eventually get away, despite a signed contract. But there are dozens and dozens of players on the books of clubs right now who are drawing a wage and are protected because of the contract they signed, and that the club must honour. Players and the players’ union have tremendous power at this moment.
I whole heartedly agree. The players moan and complain, then they get what they want and the clubs are just over a barrel. Not to say that the clubs are always good/right, but what happened to contract law??? Every time something like this happens I think "but didn't he sign a contract?!". When JM decided he didn't have the heart to play, why wasn't he told you're in breach of contract and we will sue your pretty little behind faster than you can say Camp Nou???? They aren't signing contracts, they're signing letters of intent as in ?I intend to play until I get tired of this and want out".
I don’t mind so much players having all the power. I have seen enough incompentent club presidents and dictatorial coaches to sway my allegiances towards players.
Don’t get me started on FIFA, UEFA and the idiots who run football. Fat old men in suits who have never kicked a ball in their lives getting to decide the futures of football’s best players? Um no thanks.
My biggest complaint is that football clubs aren’t doing enough to promote local talent. Its one thing to decimate other clubs pool of talent but not looking after your own is a bigger crime in my opinion.
I totally got your rant about players contracts. There is probably some great industrial argument to be made using complicated legal terms and I’m the last person on earth to do that.
I suppose the best argument I can make is that in other industries, a customer base from one business doesn’t cause riots and make death threats when their favorite employee changes jobs. Did that make sense at all? I need a drink.
Well whether we like it or not football is a billion dollar business. If the players who are putting themselves at risk do not get the money then the clubs/organizations and owners etc. get it all. Loyalty is good but what if a player gets a career-ending injury, how ‘loyal’ are the clubs then. The players have to look out for their own best interests too and many if not most of them do not have a back-up career. Also they play to win and if they are on mediocre teams, or teams that are trending downwards, especially during the peak of their careers they will be tempted to go where they stand a better chance of winning. That’s understandable. I just think that how the situation is handled most times is unfortunate and leave negative feelings.
I think Masch is the ultimate betrayal, Liverpool fan or not. He has abandoned his team/teammates and should be fired and banned from playing for the remainder of his contract. No club should want him now anyways as his behaviour shows him to be very selfish and unreliable. Who wants to go into battle with someone like that? He should be ashamed of himself.
Yes it´s sickening to think about the money this guy gets paid and still behave like a total a**.Absolutely no respect whatsoever. May he NEVER come to Barca! THAT would make me disappointed at my club.
Agreed. After all the stuff that happened with Cesc (which, of course, was not his fault) to hear that Mascherano might be going to Barca bc he acted like a petulant child, made me so mad. Can you imagine being a Barca player like, “Shit, we ask for Cesc, and instead we’re getting this idiot who boycotted playing at his club just so he could go somewhere else. FAIL.” I don’t think Mascherano deserves to play anywhere!
I never blame the player if they chose to go unless they go teams they know they shouldn’t. If you play for Barca, you shouldn’t go to Real Madrid (looking at you, Figo). If you play for Man United, you shouldn’t go to Liverpool. I get that it’s about making money but at least have something resembling loyalty to your former club’s supporters.
This doesn’t mean that I support torturing former players. I was at El Clasico in 2002 and it was mortifying for me as a cule to watch people who call themselves cules throw things at him on the field.
Also, I’m kind of astonished at the amount of love for Liverpool by former players (i.e. Alvaro, Xabi). I don’t have an EPL club but it’s endearing to see how much former players still love the club and their supporters.
I guess I forgot to post my comment earlier but here it goes. Contracts are not done in invisible ink, you don't have to hold them up to any special light to see what's written on them. So if a player, whomever he is doesn't want to stay in a particular club then try and renegotiate the deal. It could it would probably come down to less money for the player and his agent but that may be a sacrifice that player will have to make.
Another thing is, think back when you were little, you probably had dreams of having a big house maybe not a mansion but a house big enough to fit your entire family. Later on, as things changed and you became older and aware of the sacrifices one has to make to make our dreams come true that dream house was left behind. We no longer wanted to lived with our parents and siblings for the rest of our lives, lol. For most of us we wanted to go to school, get jobs and get paid and have a good life whether it be having a big house, a condo, or a mansion. We had to work, trained, do things that weren't always so fun like reading book after book of practically the same thing until it became part of your life.
My point is, these men since they were little wanted to be football players. Had dreamed of winning a WC, when they were in their teens that dream probably now included having lots of girls after them, having nice cars, houses and going on vacation and partying. Many seem to do that now and not doing so good in their clubs. Instead of books, they have clubs, they often must go to a different country to get to where they want to really end up at. We might not understand it but loyalty to a club can be harder than it seems to them. We don't change our club after a few seasons. We don't get paid to watch football. They play and get paid for doing what they do best, but often it feels like we are too harsh on player's decisions. Many probably had dreams of playing in their childhood favorite club. Not all can do it. Some work harder to try an achieve it and that to me is what some do when they try their "luck" in other clubs and sometimes its not really up to them which is sad how clubs sell their players to get "better" ones that often don't do much for them.
We have to learn that too many players going to some teams is just a transition and that their goal is to be in a better team than ours or one who pays more. No matter how much we love our players or team(s) we cannot get caught up in the drama because we can't forget we first watch football for the game not the players (speaking as someone who does).
Hatem Ben arfa not going to New castle .. and going to wereder bremen instead …
Yes I know , none of you know him .. Ligue 1 isn’t very recognized in kickette .. except for gourcuff
i know him..and i know what he'd done to protest his club for not letting him go..more or less resembles mascherano's deed..i just don't understand why they have to cross the line..i personally think they really dishonour their club and fans(sort of betrayal)..::sigh::
I SO agree with U (see my comment below)
points taken..their clubs could've stop wasting money to pay wages for that antics,obviously they dont deserve any..what a shame..
Okay maybe they went a bit overboard , but Ben arfa , the club told him , **** off .. we dont want you anymore .. and then by surprise .. their best striker Mamadu Niang leaves .. so there like You know what hatem ben arfa , your gonna stay . Like thats ****** up ….–'
is that the reason why act like…(ugh ya know what)??if that true,getting out is the best option..cant imagine how to play if our own club dont appreciate us..
Hmm, Ben Arfa is now on Werder? I should go look that up somewhere.
As a ManU fan I have gone through this before most recently with CR7. Frankly, after two summers of will he or won't he I just wanted to call him up and scream "P*SS OR GET OFF THE POT!" and was quite glad to see the back of him (always glad for that but that's another post) cause it meant it was over and we could get back to real news.
I feel a players loyalty should run as long as his contract does. Football/soccer is a business, careers are short and very few of these men have marketable skills off the pitch (and by the time their careers are over the underpants ad people are no longer interested).
I never thought I’d ever say this but Pelé was right: players today are purely motivated by money and have no loyalty to the club employing them.
I have never been comfortable with transfer rumours. Whether its my club wooing a player or trying to hold onto one. Not a pleasant feeling.
As a Barcelona fan, I would love to see Cesc Fabregas play for us but after all we have put Arsenal and their fans through, it would be bittersweet if and when that happens.
Footy Flirting is bad but nothing in sports will ever compare to the LeBron James saga in Basketball. The closest football example I can think of has to be Luis Figo to Real Madrid. Nothing will ever top that one.
I'm not even a big basketball fan but I was even sick of LeBron James.
LeBron James's decision was not cruel. He played out his contract in Cleveland. A player is allowed to go wherever he wants after that. In the end, it's his career. People in Cleveland/New York, etc. are going to still go about their jobs and lives but if LeBron had stayed, he would have to be the one dealing with disappointing season after disappointing season. In the end, it's rings that matter and everyone has to look after themselves. If anything, all you can say is that him being compared to MJ/Kobe is pretty much out of the question now…but that's a different topic.
I didn't think he was cruel, but that man definitely has the biggest ego I've ever seen.
I felt bad for Cleveland fans during the whole saga but my god was it fun to watch. Can you imagine if footballers did things like The Decision?
I agree the LeBron situation was extraordinarily irritating for people in the U.S. – every time I turned on the telly he was on. However, I will give the man props for what he did with the money from all the publicity. He gave the whole 2 million dollars to the Boys & Girls Club which is a great charity. I know 2 million isn’t a whole lot in the world of pro ballers, but it’s 2 million that charity can definitely use. (sorry – didn’t mean to go off topic)
I’ve had long discussions about player loyalty to a team in any sport. My brother put it best: It’s all a business. Players get traded because a team has a bottom line. Players leave their teams as free agents because they have a bottom line and a lifestyle they need to maintain. While there are examples of club career loyalty, those are rare.
As far as personal fidelity issues, that is a hot button issue with me. I’ll just leave it there.
As far as my favorite boys and their teams…
one just got transferred over the summer ad the other has vowed to stay with his team for his career. I maintain cautious optimism.
American sports fans have better than they realise. At least in your leagues you have things like Drafts, Salary Caps and Revenue Sharing just to name a few. I can't imagine how much better football would be if it had the aforementioned regulations. It will never happen but a girl can dream.
FIFA will never let that happen.
never mind FIFA, the big clubs will never let that happen either. All that greed in American sports does have a ceiling though. Football doesn't have Player's Unions and Collective Bargaining Agreements. A lockout season in football? That would almost be enough to start a civil war in the country dumb enough to do it.
Revenue sharing…imagine how much the big clubs would have to pay?
lol I've actually heard American sports pundits (is that the term you use over there?) talk about the virtues of the relegation system. So I guess thats another thing football is doing right.
That is true…the relegation system would motivate some teams to do better.
well i am a Barca fan so let me say some things about this topic.
as much as i love seeing players from other clubs admit that they would like to go to Barcelona,please Mascerano would you JUST GIVE IT A BREAK??you don't succeed anything by not playing for Liv'pool!!if you want to go,just say so and leave it to the clubs!!
and i also think that the Cesc topic has gone too far.i think he should stay to Arsenal for a couple of years more and then come to us so everyone can be happy!!
MOVING TO A RIVAL CLUB: when a player decides to transfer to a club that is a DIRECT or significant rival to the club which they play for. this pisses me off like no other. firstly–how disrespectful can you get!? SERIOUSLY! ahem, GOURCUFF! just one i thought of at the top of my head since his decision has been such a popular topic lately. i know he wants to play at a better club because he wants to move to a "better" league, but seriously, if he could showcase his talent at Bordeaux, he would be fine. he's already considered extremely talented, he just has to prove himself!
WANTING TO MOVE TO "WIN": here's lookin' at you Mr. Thierry Henry…(as you can see, i've experienced my share of heartbreak and resentment as an Arsenal fan. honestly…wtf. i absolutely HATE players who claim they want to join another club to win trophies and competitions. sure, kudos to you for being honest, but more often than not, the players who say this bull are the ones who contribute either the least, or the most negatively to the team! in Henry's case, Arsenal was basically stuck near the end of his career there! the younger players were intimidated by him, and therefore played the game to make HIM shine! always assisting him in goals, passing him the ball, etc! when he was good, we were good, yes, that's true. but when he f*cked up, the team f*cked up. another dumbass is that stupid RVP. now, i really DGAF how hot you are mister. have some SELF-RESPECT. you're injured probably 5 months on and off out of a whole season. and they you complain that Arsenal don't win enough trophies……………maybe if you did your damn part, they could WIN SOMETHING! asshat.
sorry for the ridiculously long post, but you girls here really know how to push my buttons and get me all passionate! lol
oops, the first part of my post disappeared!
oh well…don't really feel like typing it out again…
As much as I want to see dear Cesc'c sweet, sweet bum at Barca, I'm not really impressed with how that whole ordeal was handled. It felt like a high school rumor mill. Perhaps next year, Mr. Sex Fabregas (and the Barca team) will handle it with more class. Don't get me wrong, Barca's my team, but the entire situation wasn't very becoming of us.
Mascherano's behaviour was really over the top. I was really annoyed and disgusted. And I'm not even a L'pool fan.
This is the most irritating part about Football, as a result don't really care about!
Many times players are happy where they are and get unexpectedly traded so I guess the lack of loyalty goes both ways. Look at Rafa V at Real how many times will he have to wonder about his job. The clubs keep taking new players and telling vets to 'fight for their positions'. I guess the players are just as loyal as the clubs.
Seriously, Mascherano's behaviour really pisses me off. Barcelona made a ridiculous offer of just 12 million with Aleksander Hleb and Martin Cacares, neither of whom we need and he acts like he just expects Liverpool to accept it, regardless of whether it meets their valuation of him or no. He's just trying to hold the club to ransom.
I had tremendous respect for the man after the Arsenal game but it's all gone now. Also, I heard some of the senior LFC players blanked him out at training and I'm glad. It's what he deserves.
Sadly there are very few players these days that have any sense of loyalty. I understand there is a massive amount of money involved in the game today, but it's not like making a few million less is going to damage their lifestyle. As a Liverpool fan Mascherano disgusts me, he's acting like a child.
Thankfully there are players out there like Francesco Totti and Daniele De Rossi who know what it really means to be loyal to a single club. Ones that don't do that flirting with other teams nonsense and rebuff the teams that try to lure them away (Real Madrid this summer in Daniele's case). No one and no amount of money would ever get them to leave Roma and I love them to bits for it. I wish there were more players like them, their obvious love for the team makes them so fun to watch.
I agree with you on those two. They and ADP @ Juve are the exception rather than the rule.
And Gigi
Very true.
I was just going to reference how Alessandro went down with the Calciopoli ship – a true captain. That's loyalty. That's class. That's our boy.
(Gigi too!)
Yes! Classy, both of them. Gigi's comment about not having ever won Serie B before made me laugh… and smile.
Always wondered why Juve was the Calciopoli whipping boy when there were a total of 5 or 6 teams touched by it.
Yes Alessandro and Gigi did the right thing.
At the same time, however, people tend to miss the fact that the current club of a player may not be the club they dreamed of playing for as a child. Gooners shouldn't hate Cesc and Red Devils shouldn't hate Ronaldo (although I don't think they actually do).
All very true, but a certain amount of loyalty and maturity can be expected when a player signs a contract.
But Cesc DID dream to play for Arsenal. He said so himself.
Well I didn't hear that .. i heard him say on the Cesc fabregas show , that at first we he used to play with barca juniors , they played against Arsenal juniors and the beat them 5-0 and I think Cesc scored 2 or 3 goals and in his mind he said " oh my go they suck , I'll never play for them " but like not seriously you know like just saying . You can go check it out , its in one of the cesc fabregas show's episodes
hoping to skip this week asap..looking forward for each of these 'sicknesses'
will be over when the transfer windows closed..i'm so done with those crap and gotta get my head on the game..
on the subject of infidelity there are rumors (and articles) making the rounds on spanish websites/papers/mags that peter crouch's delightful call girl who sold her story to the notw, has not only been getting together with the one frisky footballer in recent months – apparently there are at least 2 real madrid players on her "have done" list. The players have not been named by her but a lot of people round the web are guessing that kickette most commented on may be involved – but the names of the players involved if true are just guess's and spec for now. Wouldn't be surprised if a trashy paper like notw has a follow up story this weekend on this where the names of these rumored players are revealed to the english or spanish press.
on the article itself – we all know that loyal died in football dead yrs back – it's why players like ryan giggs & mandini should be regarded as legends and heroes of the game as very few can do what they do!
sorry didn't realize the spoiler site were already reporting on the rumors above:
http://www.sportpost.com/external?return=blogs/vi…
Haha Mmmh Sergio I am guessing.
Ronaldo was basically…"scoring home runs"…with Real Madrid before he even went there. I'd call that massive playing away on his part. But then again, is that a surprise considering his manwhore status?
Miss Estonia I bow down to your mastery of the English language. “scoring home runs” is a masterpiece. There are so many ways you could view that expression.
Ronaldo’s dream was always to go to Real Madrid. He had made that clear hundreds of times. It’s the same with Cesc. The clubs themselves are too pussy to let go.
The problem with that is all of them claim whatever club they want to move to is their "dream club" and the club the supported as a child. He was dreaming of money.
Barca and Cesc saga is angering me. Just be done with it. The player himself isn't worth this much attention yet. Kaka and Man City never had anything serious going on. That was just like any other rumour you hear. The Ibra saga that's going on now is also pissing me off. We're made to believe Ibra wants to stay at Barcelona but now this. I really think it's the club's fault, not the player's in that case. In the end, it's all business.
Ohh and as for Mascherano what he did was very DISRESPECTFUL to liverpool. He fails to realise that Liverpool are the club who are still paying his wages,if i was Liverpool i wouldnt pay his wages! as he doesnt deserve them whatsoever.
I 100% agree. He’s acting like a five-year-old.
There is NO MORE LOYALTY IN FOOTBALL! The only players which i can think of that has been loyal to his club is STEVEN GERRARD, ive got enough respect for that guy, seriously, at a time where he could have left Liverpool for Chelsea (who were winning trophies)but did not leave his beloved team, liverpool fans are lucky to have a guy like that seriously ladies he is a gem.
As for Cesc the dude has his head turned, as he was declaring his undying love for arsenal just a couple of months ago-pre world cup mind you.funny how he even stating that he would be happy to end his career in North London-not a hint of home sickness…but as soon as Barca and their players went vocal he did a 360 turn and now look at him, this saga has now shown Barca true colours, and all this could have been squashed if he just came out and said he would like to go, or he wants to stay, but he had both clubs stringing along-like he couldnt choose between his girlfriend and lover lol. Am sick of this innocent act he protraits i woudl rather he went back 'home' than have a player sulking for 12 months-
OMG YES!
i honesltly wanted to roundhouse kick them all in the teeth!
they all just had to hop on and start saying all this crap!
AND HE WENT ALONG WITH IT! with his stupid cheeky little smile!
What I have trouble understanding is why Arsenal did not make a complaint to FIFA about Barca. Isn't what they did pretty much the definition of "tapping up". Am I not understanding the rules?
Most if not all of the quotes published in the Brit tabloids were fake quotes from interviews that never happened.
People have been saying and doing some questionable things in the Cesc – Barca affair, but wtf is up with Mascherano?! Talking about unacceptable behaviour! Refusing to play, if you don´t get what you want? THAT is too much!
This.nuff said..
Ben Arfa currently refuses to train with the OM because they refused to let him go… What about no salary this month Hatem?? And don’t tell me he’s young and all this crap we hear in France, 23 sounds far old enough to be mature.
Franchement , peut etre qu’il a exagere .. mais Deschamps et Dassiers exagerent auss et je pense que son comportement est tout a fait normale .
Et bien non désolé, quelques soient les difficultés et les désaccords, on doit avoir de la conscience professionnelle. Il n'y a pas un boulot lambda ou le mec n'aurait pas été viré à coup de pied au c** pour abandon de poste… Cela dit, j'avoue volontiers que je ne connais pas les tenants et les aboutissants de l'affaire donc peut-être que tu m'apporteras l'argument qui fera mouche et qui me clouera le bec
mais pour le moment, je dis juste que la culture française de la grève ça commence à saouler!! pas de taf = pas de salaire
Bon jviens de voir ton comm. plus haut, effectivement c’est pas cool… Cela dit je pense quand même qu’au dela de ça, il s’enfonce lui-même avec ce genre d’attitude, tu vois y’a la fierté de revenir encore plus fort à l’OM histoire de bien dire à DEschamps “Tu m’as pris pour un c** mais je t’e*****des.
normal??seriously?
Julie , Dassiers a chercher des club pour Ben Arfa , il voulait meme le “preter” a NewCastle pour s’en debarasser ! Meme pas le vendre ! donc en gros ca veut dire degage on veut VRAIMENT pas de toi. Ok , c’est triste , mais Ben arfa etait d’accord et etait pret a partir jouer en EPL.
Peu de temps apres Mamadou niang dit quil veut partir ce qui cause un gros probleme a l’OM donc en gros Deschamps et le president de l”OM dassiers disent a Ben Arfa , ben finalement tu sais quoi .. reviens .
donc on gros on le traite un peu comme un bouche trou .. ou tout simplement … une merde . Deja si moi on me faisait ca , jirai leurs casser la geule et leurs dire aller vous fare foutre bandes de connards . Lui , non , il a juste refuser de s’entrainer . Pourquoi ? Car il ne veut plus jouer a L”OM et il ne veut plus revoir la geule de deschamps . Mtn comme il va pas etre preter a NewCastle , ils veulent pas l’acheter , donc le werder bremen veut l’acheter . Et c’est la qu’il va aller . Je ne vois en aucune raison pourquoi il devrait continuer a rester avec les clowns de L”OM. Et puis si il veulent plus le payer , qu’ils le payent plus . il assez dargents pour pouvoir survivre deux semaines avant de signer avec son nouveau club .
ben de toute façon, vu que l'OM et lui c'est le divorce (à juste titre apparemment), en toute logique il va refuser de prendre cet argent "sale"
. A voir. Merci pour le récap. , je le sais pourtant qu'il faut que je me cantonne aux commentaires débiles sur les appolons du site 
(et oui, je suis une de ces nanas qui regardent le foot pour les beaux mecs, honte sur moi!!)
Just in case U don’t speak French, (and just ignore this if U do
) :
Cherry got a point by saying that the staff has been more than ungrateful to him and it’s true they took him for an ass. I said that still, he’s sort of drowning himself with this attitude and that he should have some pride and try to grow stronger into the team so he can show Deschamps and co they made a mistake.
But, as an OM fan, Cherry has a more accurate point of view than mine.
yeah thanks..i dont speak french but i do understand(i'm so suck at pronouncing and writing though)LOL..just finding some idea whats happening inside and i guess she already made it clear..but still,the antic is unproffesional..
Lol . Thank you Julie for thinking I am right . And okay I may be over protective of Ben Arfa but you are also right , he maybe did take it a tiny ittssy bitsy little bit over board
yeah..make out girls..
oh don't worry, Frenchies love to argue since Descartes and other guys but I take it easy as I admit that Im more of a footballer drooler than a technical analyst
tbh,i love heated discussion(doesnt mean i like bitching around)HAHA..its fun to read the way how people express themselves..but i dont approve fighting as well..so i’m just fine with the arguments,sis..
Barca and Cesc, That's too much.