October 6th, 2008

Iker Casillas and The Ramos Like Bullfighting

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Oh dear.

Two of our favourite hotties, Iker Casillas and Sergio Ramos were spotted out this weekend enjoying some bullfighting with Real Madrid prez Ramón Calderón. We’re not terribly thrilled about it.

Call us kooky, but the “sport” of watching an animal getting poked with several sharp pointy things until they die leaves us rather cold. We always end up rooting for the bull, regardless of how cute the matador or his outfit may be.

Your thoughts, Kickettes? Are we being way too uptight? Or would you also lose a little footie lust for your fav player if you saw him at the bull ring?

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68 Responses to “Iker Casillas and The Ramos Like Bullfighting”

  1. HoneyBee says:

    Shame on you boys-someone should spank your hot firm bums-I volunteer for this task.Poor animals!

  2. Motsdesoie says:

    This is typical of Spain and its ex-colonies and call me weird but seeing people who are not from said countries criticizing this tradition seriously pisses me off. It's a cultural thing and while you might not agree with it, you're no one to judge as this is part of our culture and it's been so for hundreds of years. ——- As I said, not liking bullfighting is completly fine but making comments such as "Very bad boys" or "people who go there are so evil" upsets me, and a lot. ——- And Pau de Silva, I don't know where you read that. But, as JoeCole's girl said, the meat is indeed eaten afterwards, it tastes perfectly normal. ——- Should we hate on Canadians for killing seals, or the Japanese for killing dolphins? Get a grip. ——- I think The Fourth Official's comment was the only smart one I read on this thread, understanding that it's got significance and that is part of our culture. ——- And, believe it or not. I do not like bullfighting at all. I've been to it a couple of times, I did not enjoy it but I respect people who do. This is one of those polemic themes which people from the countries who have the tradition can criticize, but to be perfectly honest, when an outsider starts saying it's savage I get upset.

  3. Baby Freya (Mrs Arbe says:

    I'm staying 100% neutral on this one by saying The Ramos' smile makes me melt and Iker's jacket needs burning!

  4. Anna (Frau Manuel Neuer) says:

    i think it’s horrible what they do to the animals, but I also don’t wanna be too judgemental. after all, they’re both spanish men, and it is something very rooted in the spanish culture. soo.. i’ll just compliment iker’s cute nose and ears in the picture and that’s it.

  5. Dreamgirl says:

    I would never see a baller at a bullfight bc I would NEVER go there. But like SpaceCowgirl said the boys are both Spanish and its a tradition there. The Ramos is fittingly dressed for a funeral and Iker is just gorgeous if you ignore the jacket.

  6. Pau de Silva (aka Sa says:

    and excuse me Joe Cole´s girl, who told you such a lie??? that meat is useless because the bull release toxines due to his stress… just boo!

  7. Kickette Admin says:

    Kickettes – we’re going to call time on this post as it’s getting a little heated and becoming personal rather than an open debate.

    All cultures, opinions and comments are welcome and respected here – we certainly did not mean to create such a polarizing post, but goodness we’re rather excited that we did!

    - please refrain from posting any further on this topic unless it’s to discuss why Iker is wearing that jacket, or why he still is not returning our phone calls. xox

  8. Genevieve Gourcuff says:

    It's part of the culture so I'm not too fussed about it… Iker's looking hot as per usual…

  9. Pau de Silva (aka Sambu) says:

    The Ramos as usual meeh! but Iker, you are so dead to me.

  10. joey cole's girl =P says:

    it really is a cultural thing. i am 3/4ths spanish and i would love to experience something like that. when they kill the animals, the meat doesnt go to waste its eaten. the bulls are probably treated better than cows and chickens that they use to make our food. but they both look yummyyyy

  11. aristeia says:

    What a debate we could have on this one. I’m going to avoid the topic and state that the smile on Sergio is blessed. And Iker is adorable as per usual.

  12. Dani.Mrs José says:

    tut tut Iker and the Ramos…. i hate bull fighting and im half spanish.. i think its cruel to the animals, i hate to say it but the two hotties in question have lost some of my love and respect.

  13. Callie says:

    Bullfighting as entertainment isn’t my cup of tea but then neither are pro-wrestling or rugby. Anyone else think Iker look like he’s wearing a school uniform? And he’s making me feel like a pedobear just for thinking it!

  14. QUE VIVA ESPANA says:

    I think it’s cute that they love bullfighting! I’ve even read that if Sergio Ramos didn’t become a footballer he would be a bull fighter :D

  15. Innocenza says:

    They get a national heritage pass. I think it would be intriguing to see once, having read Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises and all…

  16. lissette13 says:

    its torture

  17. SpaceCowgirl says:

    Wow, this is a difficult one. It is a very Spanish thing, and I dont want to judge. And Iker knows I love…erm.. Iker, but….damn. No, I dont know. He does look gorge in the pic though. Argh, still torn

  18. Kickette Admin says:

    Kickettes – we're going to call time on this post as it's getting a little heated and becoming personal rather than an open debate. All cultures, opinions and comments are welcome and respected here – we certainly did not mean to create such a polarizing post, but goodness we're rather excited that we did! – please refrain from posting any further on this topic unless it's to discuss why Iker is wearing that jacket, or why he still is not returning our phone calls. xox

  19. Pau de Silva (aka Sambu) says:

    and excuse me Joe Cole?s girl, who told you such a lie??? that meat is useless because the bull release toxines due to his stress… just boo!

  20. Pau de Silva (aka Sa says:

    The Ramos as usual meeh! but Iker, you are so dead to me.

  21. Perspective says:

    Regarding some of the comments in this thread – While I would find bullfighting painful to watch precisely because I find it cruel to the animal, I can’t imagine taking a colonial attitude to a whole country and tossing out sentences like “There is no reason why people from cultures which are, IN THAT NARROW RESPECT, more advanced, should keep quiet about it.“ Some people find boxing a cruel sport as it is basically two human beings intent on punching and hurting each other, ideally to the point of the opponent losing consciousness. Why not rag on people who attend that sport and countries where its accepted (ie. ALL of them)? Its amazing how judgmental people can be of other cultures while being totally blind and hypocritical about similar aspects of their own.  To compare bullfighting to killing or oppressing human beings, as is the case of misogynist or racist governments shows that people can really lose perspective when they’re on a high horse. Perhaps the English footballers should be derided for their “culture” which is currently participating in an oil war that killed a million people in war and left their land wasted with depleted uranium. I guess it pays to have citizens too busy with supremacist notions about “Other” “Inferior” cultures if a government wants to keep carrying on these acts in their names.

    On a general note, I love this website for its yummy pictures and sharp Kickette wit. Well done and keep it up! It’s usually a lovely break from stupidity and hypocrisy found too often in ALL cultures.

  22. TKP says:

    All things, all the traditions, come to an end sooner or later. We live in a modern world; it’s about time to put an end to all these brutal and unnecessary traditions such as bullfighting.
    “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.“ (Mahatma Gandhi)
    We all, as nations and individuals, still have a long way ahead.

    Btw, I love this site. Keep up the good work!

  23. ^^K^^ says:

    Nasty! Let’s hope this was just one of those things they have to do cos of the job?

  24. EmilyVilla says:

    I love the spanish ballers and have great respect for them. Here in england we used to hunt and when that was made ilegal there was a massive uproar on how they were ruining an age old tradition. I respect the spanish for keeping their traditions as us brittish should have. I think bull fighting is fine cause at the end of the day the bull had been bred for that purpose alone. So lets all just respect the spanish for their traditions and not call them bad for it!

  25. Toni Waters says:

    In response to Motsdesoie’s second comment (5.26 p.m.)

    S/he wrote

    “You eat meat and criticize this…While you might not be a complete hypocrite, you’re certainly on the way to it.“

    I respond:

    No I don’t, not for the last 53 years, anyway.  Neither do I eat fish or wear animal skins.  Where, exactly, is the hypocrisy?

  26. Motsdesoie says:

    Toni Waters, you can think whatever you want, seriously, but don’t go rubbing it on the face of a person who belongs to the culture. Notions of decency? Calling anyone undecent is not precisely nice. Bullfighting won’t stop, just as americans won’t stop meddling in every war they can.

    “Among individuals, as among nations, respect for the rights of others is peace.“

    And comparing a human life to an animal (and I know lots of people will disagree) is completely over the top.

  27. Maggs says:

    I can’t believe Kickette didn’t know The Ramos likes Bullfighting? He’s actually said had he not become a footballer, he’d been bullfighter.
    And STOP critizicing it! Its a tradition!

  28. Effie says:

    Anyone who thinks that torturing an animal is entertaining is a sick and pathetic loser without a heart… So are those who accept is as “a cultural thing”! Cruelty should never be accepted as a part of culture, not in any form… Suddenly I’m so over these two.

  29. Toni Waters says:

    To: Motsdesoie   You may be interested to know that many countries have changed their laws with respect to the use and abuse of animals, within the last ten years.  Specifically, the use of primates for medical experimentation has been outlawed altogether in some countries; the use of chimpanzees has been specifically banned in many more countries.

    Using animals in circuses has been banned in the U.K. I believe, and is outlawed in some parts of the U.S. These and related changes all reflect the same aspect of our evolution, namely a greatly increased awareness of the sensitivities of non-human animals and, as a result, a legal recognition that they, too, have rights.

  30. Motsdesoie says:

    Sorry, I read so many messages over here and at Livejournal that I mistook one rather offensive comment posted by Effie with one of yours.

    No problem. As I said, I don’t like bullfigting. I love animals but my mother loves it and I feel it’s unfair to people of my culture who feel is such a strong part of them.

    Among people, a discussion is always possible as long as we don’t try to indoctrinate the other side of the debate.

  31. Toni Waters says:

    To: Motsdesoie.  I agree that we have exhausted this subject, but one small correction is in order.  You say!  “ This is futile, you despise people who appreciate bullfighting, so does Kickette…“

    I cannot speak for Kickette, but I certainly do NOT “despite people who appreciate bullfighting.“  You, for example, appreciate bullfighting, but far from despising you, I respect you for the way you have conducted this argument.

  32. Motsdesoie says:

    Sure, ok

    I don’t think discussing this any further will help your cause. I suggest you join one of this groups instead because let’s face it, no country will make a blockage due to bullfighting and we won’t eliminate something deeply rooted in us. This is futile, you despise people who appreciate bullfighting, so does Kickette, I respect them and some people like them. It’s just the way it is. I myself think it’s more productive to worry about kids whose daily life consists of “torture” because they can’t eat than bulls.

    It’s like abortion. Someone pro-abortion will very rarely convince somoene against it of legalizing it and it works the other way around.

  33. Toni Waters says:

    In response to Mrs Metzelder (n

  34. Motsdesoie says:

    Toni Waters, your radical views do not help. Comparing the death of a bull with the segregation of people in their own land? Blocking the goods of a nation?

    Good day lady, not worth discussing anything with you

  35. Mrs Metzelder (n says:

    Posted by Toni Waters on 10/07 at 01:12 PM
    “If it were up to me, I would move to boycott Spanish goods, just as the world boycotted South African goods when Apartheid was in place.“

    Spanish people have been bullfighting for centuries and is now that we see this pics when you decide that we have to boycott Spanish products? That’s ridiculous! There are already several organisations in Spain and abroad that fight to abolish this practice and I think that joining one is way more appopriate than crying out for boycott. You forgot that such a measure could seriously affect many families and workers who have nothing to do w bullfighting!

  36. Toni Waters says:

    Stoning women to death for adultery is definitely part of the culture in some parts of the world.  Unlike bullfighting, it is based on a religious mandate.

    Does that mean that we must refrain from criticizing the activity? Obviously not.  Being ‘part of the culture’ based on a religious mandate does not change the fact that it primitive, cruel, and uncivilized – just like bullfighting.  Being part of the culture, it reflects on that culture.  There is no reason why people from cultures which are, IN THAT NARROW RESPECT, more advanced, should keep quiet about it.  If it were up to me, I would move to boycott Spanish goods, just as the world boycotted South African goods when Apartheid was in place. Far from being inappropriate, such condemnation is to be encouraged, whether its object is stoning women to death, torturing bulls for the fun of it, or fox hunting.

  37. Toni Waters says:

    In response to Motsdesoie, who posted on 10.06.08 at 05:21pm. He wrote:
    “This is typical of Spain and its ex-colonies and call me weird but seeing people who are not from said countries criticizing this tradition seriously pisses me off. It’s a cultural thing and while you might not agree with it, you’re no one to judge as this is part of our culture and it’s been so for hundreds of years.“
    I respond:
    When you package an activity as “part of our culture” and get seriously pissed off when people from other countries object to it, you are claiming a kind of immunity for that activity.  It becomes immune from ordinary analysis and criticism, no matter how cruel and barbaric it may be.  Basic values and beliefs must be suspended in the face of the cry “It’s out culture.“  Sorry, that just won’t wash.  I live in the U.S. (I am not American), and I believe that lynchings were cruel and barbaric even though they were part of the American culture.  Ditto capital punishment.  Most of the world is becoming increasingly aware of, and repulsed by, cruelty to animals even when done in the name of medical advances.  The cry of “It’s our culture” does nothing to excuse of minimize the obscene cruelty of bull-fighting which may indeed be a part of Spanish cuture, but is nonetheless an affront to all but universally shared notions of basic decency.

  38. Toni Waters says:

    “Are we being way too uptight?“ NO!

    Or would you also lose a little footie lust for your fav player if you saw him at the bull ring? YOU BET!

  39. suzie says:

    Not a lover of blood sports of any kind but each to there own. For anyone but iker it would be a deal breaker, but…… well it’s iker. I’ll just pretend he was made to do it by his nasty prez. I’m more concerned about his jacket/school blazer look though.Still looks hot and the ramos scrubs up nicely too.

  40. Mrs Metzelder (n says:

  41. emogenharris says:

    there are some good traditions and some bad traditions. and i realise that the only way a culture can change is to recognise and reject some traditions. and re: the meat, there is a difference between killing (with a humane killer, hence not as slow, long or painful as i pointed out before) for consumption and killing for pleasure. just like there is a difference (though i don't support either cases) between experimenting on animals for medical purposes and for cosmetics. this is just my opinion and i will post no more on this as i respect those of others and understand that whatever i say now will never change their minds. but just wanted to put out there that there is another perspective on this subject. thanks. ps AJ put it much better than i did!

  42. cristina_juve says:

    I think it's pretty interesting. I'd love to go to a fight one day.

  43. Motsdesoie says:

    And to whoever said that the meat we eat is acquired by a "clean death"… Pigs are wet and electrocuted en masse until they die. Not a very kind way to leave this world and I'm guessing it's pretty painful given all the squealing they do. Conclusion: You eat meat and criticize this…While you might not be a complete hypocrite, you're certainly on the way to it.

  44. Motsdesoie says:

    Pau de Silva. I know perfectly well what bullufighing is and I don't need to to my homework as I'm part of this culture and I know all about this tradition. I don't know why your response is so agressive. I only told you that the meat is indeed eaten afterwards. It's not my problem if you get upset if something you said is wrong. And no, the world is not as it is because of people like me. It's as it is because of people who do not dialogue but rather chose to react agressively. I don't know what my "cruel opinion" is but to each their own. Not because I respect those who like bullfighting I'm a cruel person.—-

  45. Becca says:

    Stay away from the bull ring. >:|

  46. LynxKitten says:

    I am dead against bull fighting.

  47. The Fourth Official says:

    Anyone who has ever eaten meat or gone hunting (yes, you, Sarah Palin!) can't judge this one. Bull fighting is a very old tradition and full of cultural meaning. It's also supposed to be a very sensual, erotic ballet between man and animal. I wouldn't go to one myself, but that's me.

  48. RedGirl (Mrs. Casill says:

    I'm from an 'ex-colony' and we even had a bull ring in my city. Personally, I don't like bullfighting but (coming from a spanish family) I respect people who like it and I understand that is a tradition. So maybe I'll just concentrate on how cute is Íker looking in the pic…

  49. QB says:

    This is a cultural thing , in my country we have cockfighting and is completely legal is part of our culture and the Rooster is one of out many national simbols, we should all respect each other traditions and cultures

  50. Pau de Silva (aka Sa says:

    dear Motsdesoie: I love Kickette, I love to hang in here and I dont want to fight. So, for your knowledge I am from Mexico, yes, an Spanish ex-colony, so I am pretty aware of the whole bullfighting thing, so better do you homework and investigate better before open your mouth. Who say anything about hate? woah! as far as you can say what you think, so do I, so do us. Sorry Kickette.

  51. TammyV says:

    I have been to that stadium, and it is amazing – never seen a buillfight though. As an American, I don't really understand it and its cultural significance, so I will leave it alone.. More importantly, why is Iker wearing Robbie Williams's concert cast-offs?<IMG alt="Photobucket" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/samjadams/pink.jpg&quot; border="0"> Pic via google images and I think he has that jacket in every color

  52. Pau de Silva (aka Sa says:

    I am sorry Kickette, I really do =(

  53. Sarah says:

    This reminds me of earlier this year when there was a big controversy over one of the baseball players on my team from the Dominican Republic going to cockfighting games. It's illegal here and we think it's cruel, but it's a completely accepted tradition there. I personally don't condone either cockfighting or bullfighting, but it's their culture, so I'm not gonna knock it.

  54. FootballerChick43 - says:

    I'm a vegetarian from Kentucky who is also the daughter of a farmer so… I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on this one. That jacket Iker is wearing is terrible, though.

  55. lose that girl says:

    I think it's cruel. Yep, I eat chicken so call me a hypocrite if you'd like. I wouldn't go to such an event regardless of who might be there. Sure, it's a cultural thing just like Native Canadians have practices where they (used to) kill animals but it was for survival, not for a performance.lose that girl blog

  56. joey cole's girl =P says:

    no pau, the meat is def ate afterwards… its part of the tradition

  57. Mel (Mrs. Pique, the one and only) says:

    I’m Spanish myself and I don’t understand, accept or approve of any of it. Just boo.

  58. SpaceCowgirl says:

    I dont think its hypocritical to eat meat and yet think Bullfighting is cruel. There is a difference between killing an animal for food and doing it for sport. Of course that opens another debate on how badly some farmed animals are treated, but there isnt the room here!

  59. Dreamgirl says:

    KIckette, you really opened a can of worms here. The lesson to be learned here is to respect each others opinions.

  60. emogenharris says:

    @some others: eating meat = quick clean death. Bull-fighting = painful slow long death….sorry to disagree but definitely not the same. &^%$$@#!…and to think i always looked upon them with an indulgent eye and had started to like casillas…

  61. Motsdesoie says:

    I’m not discussing this any further, I’ve made my point. Generalizations such as the one Effie posted are the ones that really make my blood boil but they won’t change just as bullfighting won’t stop, just as seal slaughtering won’t stop, just as fur won’t disappear. It’s part of our Hispanic culture, hate it if you want, but lots of people will keep enjoying this.——————— Ah, just in case you’re not done prejudging a person on it’s cultural and ideological views: Iker supports the conservative party and thinks capital punishment is necessary for extremely evil criminals. Want to keep on dissing? Go ahead

  62. AJ says:

    Bullfighting as entertainment? Not my idea of a good time. It would upset me to watch. I wouldn’t go watch pigs get slaughtered for fun, either (for all those meat eaters are hypocrites, ladies). Bull fighting, cock fighting, dog fighting are all shameful in the name of entertainment. Cultural or not.

  63. Pau de Silva (aka Sambu) says:

    I am sorry Kickette, I really do =(

  64. carly says:

    Gah! BULLFIGHTING IS TORTURE! BOO! shame on you.

  65. Pau de Silva (aka Sambu) says:

    dear Motsdesoie: I love Kickette, I love to hang in here and I dont want to fight. So, for your knowledge I am from Mexico, yes, an Spanish ex-colony, so I am pretty aware of the whole bullfighting thing, so better do you homework and investigate better before open your mouth. Who say anything about hate? woah! as far as you can say what you think, so do I, so do us. Sorry Kickette.

  66. carly says:

    Gah! BULLFIGHTING IS TORTURE! BOO! shame on you.

  67. TammyV says:

    I have been to that stadium, and it is amazing – never seen a buillfight though. As an American, I don’t really understand it and its cultural significance, so I will leave it alone..

    More importantly, why is Iker wearing Robbie Williams’s concert cast-offs?

    Photobucket Pic via google images and I think he has that jacket in every color

  68. LoveLamps says:

    Ladies, THE RAMOS and Iker in a pic together. Let’s focus on the beauty and forget about the bull for a moment. It’s all about the beauty and THE RAMOS is so fine, so fine he blows my mind. . .