October 15th, 2008

QOTD: Rio Ferdinand Says WAGs Equal Fail

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‘‘If I’m honest, we became a bit of a circus in terms of the whole WAG situation…We got caught up in the whole thing. It seemed like there was a big show around the whole England squad. It was like watching a theatre unfolding and football almost became a secondary element to the main event…People were worrying more about what people were wearing and where they were going, rather than the England football team. That then transposed itself into the team.”

- Rio on one of the reasons England was utter crap in the 2006 World Cup.

Do you agree?

While it’s certainly nice to see Rio pulling up his socks and acknowledging the situation, we can’t help but feel WAGs or no WAGs, our boys just didn’t make it work in ’06. Aren’t pro athletes supposed to be able to stay focused and bring it home regardless of circumstances?

Then again, perhaps the sight of your wife stumbling in completely sloshed, singing show tunes and collapsing into a pile of £10,000 worth of shopping bags at the hotel would put off the most die hard of mental hardmen.

Any hey, England may have sucked in the WC, but the shenanigans during that summer inspired us to start Kickette. So it all works out in the end.

We kid, we kid.

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45 Responses to “QOTD: Rio Ferdinand Says WAGs Equal Fail”

  1. TammyV says:

    Thanks sweetie, because typos are so rare on messageboard…seriously, that was your comeback? I really expected something more interesting and original from you As for your point about Would you enjoy it if I went out of my way to disrespect your team on a Newcastle-related post? I think not Actually I love it when anyone has/expresses their own opinion, even/especially when different from mine. For example, I love reading the posts about the $tevie Me love, which I don't understand but respect very deeply their opinion. Hell, I might even learn something from their opinions. If I could not handle hearing differing opinions, I would not post on messageboards. I would not attack posters because they could either didn't agree with me or were not susceptible to my attempted bullying. Free flowing ideas makes the board a more interesting place

  2. Genevieve Gourcuff says:

    I do understand where Rio’s coming from but there’s no point making any excuses (which he may or may not be doing). However I can honestly say I personally am equally interested in the football played on the pitch and in the hotness of the players and their WAGs’ clothing etc etc. The players have to make sure that they focus solely on the football and ignore the media circus although I appreciate how difficult that must be. But as you say Erin that’s in the past and they’re moving on from it all in fairly spectacular fashion so good on them!

  3. AJ says:

    I’ve read the above and I’ve read the articles, they are quite different no? In the articles, he blames the "circus" which I took to mean WAGS but also the cult of celebrity, the rabid press, FA shenanigans like photo ops and press conferences, etc. for a loss of concentration and I thought it was more of a hold my hand up, taking responsibility kinda thing than a blame game. Maybe I got it wrong.

    The FA loved the circus. It increased "brand" England. They’re not going to give it up w/o a fight. I’d prefer a quieter England camp in 2010, myself.

  4. Becca says:

    I dont think they can blame the WAGs, they wasnt there on the pitch when they were playing. I think it was just a bad year for england, they cant blame anyone but themselves, if the WAGs wernt there they would all just be complainging about how much they missed them. They just need to take it on the chin and get on with it, hopefully the next world cup will be better.
    and it started kickette, so it must have been a good thing :)

  5. TammyV says:

    Lets not forget WAGS were banned from Euro 08 qualifications and that helped the boys a lot..

  6. TammyV says:

    Lets not forget WAGS were banned from Euro 08 qualifications and that helped the boys a lot..

  7. The Fourth Official says:

    And it’s “your”, not “you’re”.

  8. Deanna says:

    Also, I know that loads of you will disagree with me, but let's not forget that England lost on penalties. Penalties. How many times have we heard that penalties are a lottery and anyone can win or lose in them? Then why criticize them so much for it? By the same yardstick, Chelsea should be criticized for losing in Moscow, AC Milan for losing in Istanbul, etc, etc. Do their team's fans blame them so much? About the WAGS, well it was fun reading about their exploits, and I'm glad it inspired Kickette, but I don't think anyone will miss them too much if it helps England do better the next time around.

  9. Kickette Admin says:

    Everyone, please remember that personal attacks are not what the comments are for – make a case for your opinion and by all means, we welcome comments that tread close to the line of human decency and potential lawsuits and so forth, but otherwise, let’s try to respect every Kickette’s right to an opinion. Lest we force everyone to hold hands and sing Kumbya. *shudder*

  10. The Fourth Official says:

    I 100% agree with Rio. Johnna, he's not a stupid git. And LTG, he's not a lame ass. But the WAGs was just a part of it. The WAGs, the cult of the celebrity-footballer, the media circus, the horrid manager, the FA – all of it combined. If I don't see a single WAG at any qualifier or at the tournaments, I'd be a happy woman.

  11. Deanna says:

    Hmm, I don't think he's blaming only the WAG's is he? Come on guys, we have to take into consideration that it's an English paper, and that they will definitely exaggerate his comments. Probably he's saying that it's one of the reasons they did so badly. I think the point he's trying to make over here is that there was too much of interaction with the media, the wrong kind of interaction. It wasn't proffesional enough. He says that it's much more professional now, like the way it is with the clubs. I'll be the first to admit that I'm horribly biased when he's concerned, but I don't think it's fair to jump on him for speaking the truth. How many people are there in this world ready to admit that what they did was wrong, and to try to improve it? He's pointing out what went wrong, not taking the blame off himself and the other players. It's a very mature way to look at things, and I admire him for saying that.

  12. TammyV says:

    Umm ok.. you're near nuclear meltdown reaction shows otherwise. For the record, I will continue to in threads when I feel like it and say what I like..as everyone else will and does. I find it seriously objectionable for someone on the pitch to blame their poor performance on anything other then themselves, especially something that is fundamentally and sought out part of their daily lives (see Rio's Wind-ups as poor of his desire to be in the circus on any level possible). They all seem to be able to handle to glare of the spotlight and the circus for their clubs day in and day out, so it was somehow different for a month in June 2006? I find that a pathtic excuse to shift blame and whole unbecoming of a potential captain of his country

  13. dogwood says:

    Can that couch be commented on? WTF?!

  14. TammyV says:

    Thanks sweetie, because typos are so rare on messageboard…seriously, that was your comeback? I really expected something more interesting and original from you

    As for your point about Would you enjoy it if I went out of my way to disrespect your team on a Newcastle-related post? I think not

    Actually I love it when anyone has/expresses their own opinion, even/especially when different from mine. For example, I love reading the posts about the $tevie Me love, which I don’t understand but respect very deeply their opinion. Hell, I might even learn something from their opinions.

    If I could not handle hearing differing opinions, I would not post on messageboards. I would not attack posters because they could either didn’t agree with me or were not susceptible to my attempted bullying. Free flowing ideas makes the board a more interesting place

  15. Kickette Admin says:

    Everyone, please remember that personal attacks are not what the comments are for – make a case for your opinion and by all means, we welcome comments that tread close to the line of human decency and potential lawsuits and so forth, but otherwise, let's try to respect every Kickette's right to an opinion. Lest we force everyone to hold hands and sing Kumbya. *shudder*

  16. TammyV says:

    Umm ok.. you're near nuclear meltdown reaction shows otherwise. For the record, I will continue to in threads when I feel like it and say what I like..as everyone else will and does. I find it seriously objectionable for someone on the pitch to blame their poor performance on anything other then themselves, especially something that is fundamentally and sought out part of their daily lives (see Rio's Wind-ups as poor of his desire to be in the circus on any level possible). They all seem to be able to handle to glare of the spotlight and the circus for their clubs day in and day out, so it was somehow different for a month in June 2006? I find that a pathtic excuse to shift blame and whole unbecoming of a potential captain of his country

  17. lose that girl says:

    And furthermore…as much as some of the WAGs are utterly annoying, some of them are truly entertaining, and I’d be amiss not owning up to that fact. A part of me will miss their shenanigans the next time around.

    lose that girl blog

  18. lose that girl says:

    I love ya, Rio but I think you’re being a lame a** blaming the WAGs for England’s downfall!

    You’re a big boy… a pro athlete with millions of dollars of training both mental and physical designed to make you a lean, mean performing on the pitch machine. If the sight of your gal scantily clad rolling around in designer German boutique shopping bags made you bottle it out on the pitch, then you’re in the wrong profession.

    You could have told them to stay home…or booked into a larger suite so you could have a quiet sleep in a separate bed. The WAGs weren’t responsible. I don’t recall them stepping on the pitch and missing those penalty kicks.

    lose that girl blog

  19. boo says:

    i wonder what his wife has to say about it. and other wives as well.

    plus i’m waiting for mel slade’s reply to arrive any minute now. *wriggles eyebrows naughty* if she doesn’t, then she might as well confess she’s a WAG and get over with. she did go head to head with Roy Keane, so why not Rio as well?

    ps: could you please do something with the registration and such to work for opera as well? please, thanks.

  20. Dreamgirl says:

    For what its worth I think that the English press has a lot to answer for. The daily slagging off in the papers can't help confidence. The last WC and the failed Euro campaign should now be put to rest and we should celebrate their current efforts and the fact that they have obviously learnt from their mistakes.

  21. FirstTeamCoach says:

    To add my opinion. *deep breath* Think Rio has a point, BUT to blame it entirely on the Wags is wrong. It was the whole package, from the FA, manager, media coverage/expectations. It was always going to be a disaster. I think we have to take what Rio has said in context – 'we got caught up in the whole thing' In other words instead of being in Germany to work, they ended up having a holiday – just like their other halves. Its over now, and lessons have been learned. I am all for the wags supporting their men, but if anyone has read Rios book, in it he says they should have had the wags fly in and out for the matches instead of being there the whole time. The media needs to take a large portion of the blame. The wags are young with plenty money to spend, having a fun holiday, we cant blame them for that. The one good thing to come out of it is KICKETTE wahey!!

  22. The Fourth Official says:

    Typos are the least of your problems, Tammy. Thank you for reinforcing my opinion about you. You're a credit to your position as moderator. Good night.

  23. The Fourth Official says:

    Tammy, you never have anything positive, insightful, or even amusing to say about the England team, so why do you bother commenting? Honestly, can't you just skip over any England-related posts and just move on? I'm perplexed as to why you imagine that it's entertaining to read your bitching about a team that you don't even support, and your criticisms of players whom you obviously despise. Why not do us a favour and leave the bitching and the criticizing to the people who actually care about the team, OR at least have something interesting to say?

  24. TammyV says:

    Dreamgirl, remember the media before WC '06 reported that they were going to win it. This was the time that "the golden generation" would come good and when the Euro qualifing group came out, it was considered the easiest of the groups, so they would skate into the finals. They are currently playing great soccer thought, that Gerrard to Rooney 2nd goal was pure beauty. If Fabio should be credited for anything, it is getting Rooney's international form back. and ys, TFo, that fact that I didn't delete/edit your inital attack post on me, does show I am a good moderator. It was over the line but sometimes just hashing it out is better, that one everyone knows where everyone else stands. Moderation is not about hidding your opinions, it is about protecting other members from attack.

  25. TammyV says:

    Wow..Fourth, dial it back. This is a board where opinions are to be exchanged. I was unaware that a support limitus test was required. Obviously my comments although not positive, insightful, or even amusing are interesting, engaging, and truthful enough to get you completely unglued. I am sorry if you dislike my opinion but they are mine and I believe I am as free to offer them up as the next poster, ie you. Now that is sort, we shall move on

  26. TammyV says:

    Wow..Fourth, dial it back. This is a board where opinions are to be exchanged. I was unaware that a support limitus test was required. Obviously my comments although not positive, insightful, or even amusing are interesting, engaging, and truthful enough to get you completely unglued. I am sorry if you dislike my opinion but they are mine and I believe I am as free to offer them up as the next poster, ie you. Now that is sort, we shall move on

  27. TammyV says:

    LTG – The WAGS were in a different hotel in a different part of Germany, only allowed to visit on certain days. They were not in the same hotel room, hotel or area. so his excuse is even more BS

  28. TammyV says:

    Oh Rio… Rio, Rio, Rio… Rio of the baller orgy sex tape, Missed Drug Test, XXX-mas party fame. Shut the hell up. It is not the WAGs is the game on the field which is still only played by the players, right? Not their WAGS or the media? Oh and that circus attraction is what makes you all so high priced., remember? Biting the hand that feeds you is not a good idea, ever. The WAGS/media/expectations were not what caused the failures, England was failing before all of that. It is the techincal abilities and the club first mantality of players that is at the root. Take Carra's comments, it was not Liverpool so it didn't matter.

  29. TammyV says:

    dogwood.. lolololol. seriously, I am laughing out loud.

  30. Johnna says:

    Again, I have to ask: if WAGs were such a big problem in the world cup and the reason for all of England's ~failures~, then how do we explain Euro 2008? England players, fans, media, etc always look for a scapegoat (ie. Cristiano, WAGs, etc etc etc) instead of realizing it was their own bloody fault for not reigning their egos in.

  31. justlikexabi says:

    the most ridiculous excuse I've ever heard.

  32. FootballerChick43 - says:

    I honestly don't think you came blame the WAGs entirely either, but I'm like Moonie – I see what he's saying, but why not just send them home? The fact is, as a human, you're gonna blame every mistake on something – we can't help it. Honestly, I have no idea why England did how they did – I'm not on the team, nor am I the coach. I just watched and was able to form a judgment from 4000 miles away. So… I really just ended up going in circles with this entire comment.

  33. Jess says:

    * WAGS sorry

  34. Jess says:

    Have to be honest and say upfront not a huge England supporter. The Netherlands have my support and my heart but I wish I had of come up with blaming the WOG’s for our piss poor performance against Russia in Euro’s. As a matter of fact anytime we play like crap I am now holding Slyvie VDV responsible that way I don’t have to balme my boys! Thanks Rio!

  35. Moonie says:

    I think this has been blown way out of proportion (as are most things linked to English football!) but I see what he’s saying and I agree it can’t have helped dealing with the WAGS having it massive while they were trying to focus on the games. One thing that puzzles me though – if it was that distracting why the hell didn’t they just put them on a plane home????

  36. The Fourth Official says:

    On the contrary, I don’t find your comments interesting, engaging or truthful. Boring and repetitive best describe them. Would you enjoy it if I went out of my way regularly and at every opportunity to disrespect your team on a Newcastle-related post? I think not. And I don’t. Since you are a part-time moderator of this board, I would think you would practice at least a modicum of respect and moderation in your own comments.

  37. AJ says:

    Um, okay, just read down and my comments were almost verbatim to Fourth’s so there is obviously two different opinions on Rio’s intent but not necessarily a disagreement with his comments. It really comes down to whether you think he was passing the buck or not, I guess. Kickette, you’re naughty. You knew this was a can of worms. ;)

  38. c9 says:

    Great read, thanks ladies! The bickering was way better than the Rio article that you folks posted kickette. LOL :)

  39. TammyV says:

    LTG – The WAGS were in a different hotel in a different part of Germany, only allowed to visit on certain days. They were not in the same hotel room, hotel or area. so his excuse is even more BS

  40. TammyV says:

    Oh Rio… Rio, Rio, Rio… Rio of the baller orgy sex tape, Missed Drug Test, XXX-mas party fame. Shut the hell up.

    It is not the WAGs is the game on the field which is still only played by the players, right? Not their WAGS or the media? Oh and that circus attraction is what makes you all so high priced., remember? Biting the hand that feeds you is not a good idea, ever.

    The WAGS/media/expectations were not what caused the failures, England was failing before all of that. It is the techincal abilities and the club first mantality of players that is at the root. Take Carra’s comments, it was not Liverpool so it didn’t matter.

  41. TammyV says:

    dogwood.. lolololol. seriously, I am laughing out loud.

  42. TammyV says:

    Dreamgirl, remember the media before WC ’06 reported that they were going to win it. This was the time that "the golden generation" would come good and when the Euro qualifing group came out, it was considered the easiest of the groups, so they would skate into the finals.

    They are currently playing great soccer thought, that Gerrard to Rooney 2nd goal was pure beauty. If Fabio should be credited for anything, it is getting Rooney’s international form back.

    and ys, TFo, that fact that I didn’t delete/edit your inital attack post on me, does show I am a good moderator. It was over the line but sometimes just hashing it out is better, that one everyone knows where everyone else stands. Moderation is not about hidding your opinions, it is about protecting other members from attack.

  43. Johnna says:

    That’s such utter bullshit, Rio. Sorry, love, but you guys played like crap. Your WAGs getting up to no good in Baden Baden had nothing to freaking do with the fact that you guys gets paid millions upon millions and have egos the size of Texas, and thus just can’t play for your national team. STFU and take the blame on yourself.

    And besides, if it were the WAGs fault in 2006, what was the reason for not qualifying for the Euros? Stupid git.

  44. LoveLamps says:

    Ok I just have to say that Frank would have played MUCH better had evil Elen not been dancing on tables drunk during the World Cup. Having said that, the whole circus was a major part of the problem and I respect Rio for calling it out. I also recognize that he has historically been part of the circus (yes I’ve seen the sex tape). In the end, England had a bad World Cup and even worse Euro2008 qualifiers and everyone should share in the blame. The GOOD news is that England are playing well now and, for those of us who support them, let’s just pray they continue to play well throughout the qualifiers straight through to winning the Cup!

  45. Erin says:

    Holy crap, so this thread turned into a disaster, huh? I’m not sure why anyone here would feel the need to attack another member for a differing opinion. That’s why we’re here, typos and all. Life would be pretty boring if we all agreed.

    As for Rio’s comments. I think there is definitely an aspect of "making excuses". Yes, it was a circus. But come on, that’s pretty much an everyday thing for these guys. They should have been able to deal with it. But the past is the past, and if they can turn things around and not let that happen again, then well done to them for learning from their mistakes. So far, so good!