November 8th, 2012
ve been there to support my team, and Rod is a total legend! Also it's so nice to read all the nice comments about Celtic, I am so proud of them! Not only that i cannot believe i got to see Barca! Bringing
night of my life!! So happy to have been there to support my team, and Rod is a total legend! Also it's so nice to read all the nice comments about Celtic, I am so proud of them! Not only that i cannot believe i got to see Barca! Bringing
Kristina and Gladys admit they are racist but I guess Kickette supports racism.
Lola, I may disagree with Gladys and Kristina, but calling them racist is going a bit too far. Yes, us ladies can get catty at times, but most of us aren't going to make absurd accusations especially basing our opinions with comments we've made on a blog.
i understand that you don't like the team and have you reservations about them, but making unsubstantiated, inflammatory comments about people just because they're fans just makes you look kind of…dumb.
If u support Barcelona, u are racist just like kristina.
That was the best night of my life!! So happy to have been there to support my team, and Rod is a total legend! Also it's so nice to read all the nice comments about Celtic, I am so proud of them! Not only that i cannot believe i got to see Barca! Bringing kickette to life!
All of these multiple responses this site is making me post are making me feel like a crazy person!
Awwwww this pic is priceless
I'm just gonna post a link before I leave you for a while. This is what Celtic FC thinks about Barca. God bless them. I feel the same way about Celtic. (The link is to Barcas website because the link to the original website was too long )
Can't accept that people dislike Barcelona? Sorry but it's a racist team .Are u racist?
YOUR RACISM IS DISGUSTING.
I think we can all sanely acknowledge that FCB and RM (and Messi and Ronaldo) are extremely, extremely talented. Some of us just like a different style of play. I wouldn't say I'm particularly bored watching RM (they're fast and their passing is accurate), but I'm never ever bored watching FCB. Maybe I'm part housecat since I love watching the ball go back and forth, while sloppy, long, time-halting passes make me tense.
Good counterattacks, on the other hand, are quite thrilling– from time to time Pedro, Alba, Tello, Alexis, and Adriano can these, but they've been a little harder to risk with so many defenders injured. I think all those calling for a Plan B need to realize that Plan B requires healthy defenders and that, unfortunately, was not properly accounted for during the summer transfer window. Name me another team doing as well with so many defensive injuries.
On a side note, Rod Stewart's reaction is sweet. And if it weren't at the expense of my favorite team, I'd be crying tears of joy along with him. I love an underdog win.
All I have said just to be clear that any style in football could be boring including barcelona!
I don't disagree with you. In fact, did you watch Valencia/Atleti? (Two teams I normally love to watch.) Everyone was praising what a tough game it was and yet I was completely bored by all the fouling (on the part of both teams). For me, other than that gorgeous Rami/Soldado/net connection, the game was nothing but stop-start frustration. But I guess that's just me. I really like my football to move around the pitch as much as possible. In my case, I guess that means a lot of passing.
Exactly, yes i saw it, I was actually more thrown off by the amount of thuggery in the game
You always make me smile Gladys! You're the best!
You're so sweet. I'm actually laughing at myself because here I live in a country with a major political event this week (definitely not going to apologize how super happy I am about the outcome!) and in a hurricane-ridden city desperately trying to provide power, heat, and shelter to some of its most isolated residents (amazingly heartwarming efforts by people to help)…and I'm worried about defending my favorite team. It's kind of silly…but also a welcome distraction. Have a good weekend! (And everyone else, as well, no matter where your football allegiances lie).
God, are you in New York!? Please be safe, and take care! And thank you for voting for the right man. Although I live in this forsaken, frozen land in the north, the election affected all of us. Four more years, ey? I hope he gets to finish what he has started.
Now, I really have to sleep. Hugs to you!
Thanks so much! In the spirit of my favorite tweeters, Mata and Adrián, "Abrazos!"
So u are racist? Kristina and u are bigots.
Bye all! I'm leaving you now. Have a nice weekend and….may the best team win!
I cried for Celtic as well, so Rod just gained himself a new fan. Perhaps I have a soft spot for underdogs. May be an 'unpopular opinion', but I really, really despise Barcelona. And, this might be the most unpopular part of my stance, but I've never seen Messi do anything as impressive as Ronaldo. I'm not even a Madrid fan (gunner through and through) and yet I much prefer Crispy as a footballer AND person. He gets too much unwarranted bad press, which he never really deserves, and because of this arrogant image they've painted him to be, Leo (his supposed equal) gets all the glory. Blah. I will say I prefer Madrid on a whole. I'd rather watch a slightly sloppy team that's filled with excitement and true passion over a technically perfect yet dull one. By the way, Cesc's girlfriend is apparently preggers?
Ronaldo is arrogant, at least that's how he portrays himself on the pitch and in some interviews. No one told him to say that he was "handsome, rich" and whatever else. No one insisted that he do those silly celebrations he does. he chose to himself. So if the world thinks he's arrogant, it's because of how he portrays himself in the public eye. As for Messi's skills compared to Ronaldo, you just need to listen to/read what other football players (past and present; legends included) say of him and how he plays, to know that he is ridiculously impressive. You just choose not to see it. I love Messi but can acknowledge that Ronaldo is an exceptional football player, but this generation's "special player" (every generation has one) is Messi. Undoubtedly. At least for right now; goodness knows he could suddenly just stop performing the way he is all of a sudden and then Ronaldo can be the best(*knocks on wood*). The majority of the football world cannot be wrong in thinking the Messi is the best player they've seen right now (some say ever). And you're possibly insane if you don't think Barcelona are passionate about football. They're obsessed with it. Maybe you don't like their style but that doesn't necessarily translate into a lack of passion on their part. And I don't recall RM being sloppy, but then I don't watch their games enough to know.
Thank you so much for speaking some sense.
Very good Anon! A very non-rude, non-arrogant and to the point answer.
If you can't see how there is bad press surrounding Cristano and not surrounding Messi then I must be listening and reading to other media for last years, Cristano is what he is on the pitch his "arrogance" or what people wants to call it it is just his drive to win and hating to lose, he said it, he said he may portray himself as arrogance on the pitch because he simply hate losing in life, Messi isn't exactly the guy who portray himself as humble on the pitch ( I don't get where did this image come from) he is as "arrogant" too but since he looks like little innocent puppy people can't see it, just last week in Liga he was frustrated with Vila he slapped him from behind and had to be pulled back to not start a fight, remember the last time Cristano did something like that? i don't so if him celebrating goals is called arrogant, NOT celebrating goals he was arrogant as well, for the million time the rich handsome comment was cynical or sarcasm but who cares?
Cristano doesn't have silly celebration, he is entertaining on the pitch his arrogance is what made his Calma celebration is historical he is going to the history books of RM, football, Liga and clasico since Raul silencing Camp Nou no one did it, so I get it as Barcelona fan you could see this as one of his silly celelrbation, but it was the beautiful scene in recent clasicos silencing the 90000 cules who were calling him all kind of names on the pitch.
As the Messi vs Cristano thing, in the latest cnn interview with Cristano, the interviewer who is a host of ballon d'or said he asked some press after ballon d;or last year why did you vote for Messi? they said because they don't like Cristano, so if you think everyone just look at Cristano and Messi based on skills, then you are blind
THANK YOU, Sarah!
I feel like trying to prove a point to some of the people in here just goes from their eyes to the back of their heads. Imagine if people said something about their beloved Messi, it'll be WWIII, but since it's Cristiano their bashing, it's all perfectly fine. I can't stand Messi. I think he is so smug. Before people say ish, I think he is an unbelievable player, I just don't like him. It is so unfair that Cris will most likely not get the Balon d'Or due to the prejudice critics have placed on him. It is ridiculous because he is playing insanely good football, but oh wait they can't praise him due to the bad press he gets. Ugh whatever, it's so annoying!
I have so much to say, but I'd rather not. Okay, I don't even remember how this became about Cris and Messi…wait, like it doesn't happen 99% of the time.
You sound a little bit self-righteous. Like the only reason Ronaldo isn't winning the Ballon D'or is because everybody hates him, not maybe because there is a player out there that might simply be that little bit better than him at the moment. You talk about proving points yet you are ready to disregard those other's try to prove to you, because you disagree with them. Messi's personality is what it is, as is Ronaldo's. They have very different personalities. And if you paid any attention to what is said on this site, any positive barca or Messi comments are thumbed down, regardless of how warranted and calm they might be.
it's funny you mention the thumbing down thing, because a few years ago that was the exact same thing that would happen to pro-Madrid/anti-Barca comments. i know because i couldn't write anything on here without receiving at least 5 or 6 thumbs down, especially after the clasico where Sergio pushed poor Puyi. it's especially funny since people who use that against me (i got the "people keep thumbing you down because obviously no one agrees with you, you should stop talking" comments) to prove their case. i hate that everything turns into a Leo vs Cris discussion, but truth be told, the majority of people who hate Barca here aren't even Madridistas! they're fellow football watchers who just happen to hate Barca! Barcelona pretty much dug their own graves as far as people hating them goes in my honest opinion, their antics slowly began grating the nerves of many a football fan accross the globe, not just Madridistas
Honestly, the thumbing down this isn't an issue, now that I think about it. If i don't agree with something, I guess I am allowed to thumb it down if I feel strongly enough about. I didn't mean to make it sound like a big deal. I never said that the only people who hate Barca are Madridstas. I don't even know where that fits into this…. certain Barca players have antics that even grate on my nerves, but then every team on this planet has players who do the same things. the only difference here is that Barca are winning things so it "supposedly" makes a difference. It's not as though Madrid don't have their own antics and their fair share of people who hate them. But again, I don't get the point of this part of the discussion…..
And it's mostly people with something against Messi, that throw labels like "innocent puppy" and similar ones around. Ask any (sane) barcelona fan and you'd here differently. Like I've already said, he lashes out, he overreacts (once in a while), he gets angry…but YOU choose to ignore it because the best defense for Ronaldo seems to be to want to make it seem like everyone thinks Messi is a perfect innocent angel. Most know that that's not the case. I'm sorry if this comment came across as rude but I did not know how else to put it across.
This is what I've been saying so many times! Spot on! Who is saying Messi is a saint? I'm not. But somehow I always get that "Messi is no saint you know" thrown in my face. I've never thought so! People are both using AND refuting this media "rivalry" at the same time.
I say, forget about it! There is plenty of other evidence to use when you want to decide who is the better football player of them.
this goes for you as well anon2: people bring up the fact that Messi isn't a Saint because that is not what the media would like to have you think. yes, i admit Cristiano has a bit of an ego, and HAD an attitude problem (in the past) i don't see his little fits every once in a while as being any worse than any other frustrated player. the reason it's so FRUSTRATING for Ronaldo fans is because every little BAD thing Cristiano does is blown out of proportion in the media (not just sports media, his "naughty" behaviour has been known to show up on news media like CNN and entertainment shows like TMZ). it makes it twice as bad (in our eyes) when a Cule calls him out because HEY, you have Messi on you end, no one says shit about HIS antics, so why are you so keen on criticising Ronaldo? with Messi, we hear about the football, and maybe the occasional photo-op with some little kid, and that's pretty much it. with Ronaldo, we hear a little bit about the football (occasionally) but we mostly hear/see the "oh, he's a jerk and a womanizer", "he disrespected the fans at such and such stadium", "he's arrogant and said people are jealous of him!" "he is selfish and never passes the ball!", and you know what? he is so much better than that! see where I'm coming from? and before you reply with the "that's the media's fault schpiel, consider that this wouldn't be such a popular depiction of him if people (opposing team's fans and other haters) didn't lap it up like syrup on waffles.
"it makes it twice as bad (in our eyes) when a Cule calls him out because HEY, you have Messi on you end, no one says **** about HIS antics, so why are you so keen on criticising Ronaldo?" My problem with this is that Messi and Ronaldo aren't the same. So why would it be that if we're criticising Ronaldo for something, you would bring up something Messi did. I know the whole world is currently Messi vs Ronaldo, so it's to be expected. But if Ronaldo has done something worth criticising at a certain time, why would you be like "Messi does things too!" It's irrelevant at that point in time, isn't it?
Where do you think the negative image of him came from? Honestly. I will say again that the media didn't just "make it up". First impressions. He came across as vain, and arrogant and not much of a team player in the beginning, of course people are going to use that as a basis for their judgements. That's just the way it is. Messi may have his moments, but based of how he came across in the beginning (and in general), people aren't going to hold onto those petulant moments and make a big deal out of them because they think "he isn't always like that". As for the media reports on Ronaldo, I can honestly say I haven't seen any about him being "naughty", not since Irina. And people aren't stupid, they may get caught up in the hype of certain things, but assuming that people just readily accept any bad thing about him without reason is a little presumptuous. Of course, haters gonna hate, they'll take any bad thing and multiply it by 1000000 to makes themselves happy. But that's not everyone. You might be blowing the negative criticism out of proportion yourself, because you like Ronaldo, or feel that there is a vendetta against him. There really isn't. People criticise where criticism is due. So if he does something people don't like, they will talk/complain about it, then move on until the next thing. Messi is criticised too, maybe most harshly from Cules themselves, but it happens, we talk, we move on. I was just saying it's easier for pro-Ronaldo, anti-Messi people to say "where is the criticism Messi deserves" as a defense for when Ronaldo is criticised, and it's not a very good one.
see the thing is, at least as far as comments here are concerned, that when Ronaldo is criticised for doing something bad, someone MUST come out and point out that "this is why people don't like him and prefer Messi!" and that's where the problems begin with ME personally. notice that it's typically Cristiano threads that tend to tun into a "Ronaldo vs. Messi" debate, and not vice versa. it's annoying.
You'll find that it's any threads that involve barca and real madrid that turn into Messi vs Ronaldo discussions. And if you notice here, this discussion was sparked by a comment about how Messi isn't as impressive as Ronaldo. I don't spend enough time on this website to tell you if you're right or wrong, but these discussions happen on any barca/real madrid post. that's annoying. Especially when you consider that this post had nothing to do with madrid. It was barca and celtic. So, my point is, both sets of fans do it. It's not "barca fans attack ronaldo all the time, so we must defend his honour", both sets of fans have things to say that aren't always right. You're making it sound like barca fans run around on threads starting fires about ronaldo, and real madrid fans are victims and are only involved because they have to defend the truth.
what's wrong with being called innocent puppy, my comment said everything I need to be said, it is very simple, I never said barcelona fans said so, I said media are the one who said that and treat them differently, so if you tell Barcelona fans don't say so, that's invalid because am speaking about the press
Regarding other comments, again refer to my original comment, arrogance or ego on the pitch can be by simply having a cringe worthy celebration or worse being frustrated with an opponent to spit on him, but even if that's him being angry, for the image that press give of him he should never ever be angry, if angry he shouldn't go around spitting on players or slapping them from the back! That's how media sees it and ignore this part, my point is simple and clear, it is actually very obvious if people want see it
agree, agree, agree!!! it's not even Messi's OBVIOUS smugness (the guy has the Romney smirk down pat) that bothers me about him, it's how certain people will defend this guy tooth and nail, yet jump at any chance to crucify Cristiano! it's ridiculous! call Cristiano what you want, but i am willing to bet my life that he will never do anything as vile as spitting on another player, for f*ck's sake, everyone likes to pretend like those incidents didn't happen, but the proof is in the pudding (or youtube, as it were). so Cristiano is arrogant, cocky, and a "bad sportsman", but the guy who kicks balls at fans and spits on opponents never gets any flack…um okay. let's pretend that makes sense before i really get angry. this world…
"If you can't see how there is bad press surrounding Cristano and not surrounding Messi then I must be listening and reading to other media for last years" – I never said I did not see it, I actually acknowledged it by saying that's how he portrays himself in interviews, i .e media. My point is that he did not just "get" the arrogant image. People don't just look at a person for no good reason and say "hey, he's arrogant. we don't like him. Let's form a media witch hunt against him." it's not unwarranted. first impression and all that.
Messi isn't exactly the guy who portray himself as humble on the pitch ( I don't get where did this image come from) he is as "arrogant" too but since he looks like little innocent puppy people can't see it" – Messi is not "humble" on the pitch. He is competitive. He has said it himself, in fact, people always talk about how he is different on the pitch. He wants to win, and hates losing. No one claims he is an innocent little puppy; he gets angry, frustrated and lashes out, on occasion. Off the pitch, Messi is basically who he's always been since he was a kid (according to his family and teammates). He was horribly shy as a kid and, now though not as shy, doesn't do or say things to discredit that. His personality has always come out on the pitch, but that personality isn't "arrogant". Just feisty and competitive. He plays for the team and always has, his focus is team trophies not individual awards. He rates the ballon d'or and such beneath team trophies. That is his opinion. He wants to win and there is no arrogance in that.
(btw, arrogance is defined as:
"overbearing pride evidenced by a superior manner toward inferiors", in other words "feeling oneself"). That is the opinion people have of Ronaldo based of HIS behaviour, HIS actions on and off the pitch. You don't just get a bad rep for no good reason. He is hardly as innocent or as much of a victim as you are trying to portray here. The opinions against him have become exaggerated and somewhat unfair but it's how the football world-actually the world in general- works. Even if his teammates talk about how good a guy he is off the pitch and how nice he is, the rest of the world will still see the guy he showed them from the start. and that is all down to him, not media misconceptions. That is my opinion.
why is it that plenty of people talk about how nice Cristiano is (and if you watch interviews of him with an open mind where he speaks candidly about his life without being provoked with Messi questions/comparisons you can tell that he seems like a nice guy. down to earth, charismatic, not the brightest, but he is a joker, has a sense of humour (you can tell by the way he interacts with his team mates) and he loves his family, and his life, loves football and wants only to improve as much as he can) yet everyone chooses to ignore them and keep believing he is a douche-y jerk? i wonder…
and if you think you could win as many trophies and awards as either of those two have, and not be even a tad full of themselves, than i might consider you a bit naive. they are athletes, professional athletes, the best in the world–big egos come with the territory. it's a part of what drives them. and the feeling of knowing that you were "the one" who scored the winning goal or sunk the winning basket, saved the penalty than won the game– nothing can beat that. at that moment it feels like it's about YOU, NOT the team. they cease to exist for the moment. i can tell you that from personal experience, almost anything in sport that gives you pleasure is a form of self-gratification, that's human nature: we are selfish creatures.
My answer to your reponse, is the post you responded to.
There is a big difference between having an ego and feeling great when you do something great. In the moment of scoring the winning goal/making the game winning save, of course a person will feel absolutely on top of the world and satisfied with their hard work. I don't know what players think when they do the match winning stuff, though. BUT, when it comes down to it, to the individual awards, Messi always acknowledges his team mates, he didn't create/score those goals without their work/input. He knows it's a team sport, it's what he was taught at La Masia, it's how he is a person (or the person he appears to be/people claim he is). I firmly believe that he would hand in the ballon d'or to get the la liga trophy. We are selfish creatures, but not in the same ways. There are people that I know who are so successful and still so humble, that it makes no sense. No two people are the same. Again, it's presumptuous to thing that what is for one person, is for another. Especially when it comes to Messi and Ronaldo, who are polar opposites in terms of their personalities (apparent personalities).
but Cristiano does the same thing! don't you see? that's where the problem lies! i rarely ever recall Ronaldo giving an interview (since he's been at Madrid) where he DOESN'T acknowledge or thank his team mates! the two share the same faults and strengths, yet one gets criticised and reprimanded and the other one gets nothing but praise…
i stick to my statement though. i really doubt there is a successful athlete on this planet who doesn't have an ego. you can tell by Messi's behaviour on the pitch that he is more than just "feisty" and "competitive". you can see that "ego" whenever someone does something he doesn't like or he doesn't get his way.
I never said Ronaldo never acknowledged his teammates. The do not share the same faults and strengths. no one does.
By your argument, being angry about being fouled, translates into having an ego. Being angry about incorrect calls, translates into having an ego. Being angry because he didn't do as well as he should have, translates into having an ego. Being angry at teammates for making silly decisions, translates into having an ego. By this argument, everybody has an ego the size of mount everest. It's frustration. Nothing more than that. A desire to win and do your best every game doesn't mean Messi has an ego. It is competitiveness. All sports people have it. People have a problem with Ronaldo's personality on and off the pitch. They might be wrong, but that's where his problem lies. It's what he's made the public think of him (with the help of the medis-although, I don't see any articles about how bad he is, the commentators barely even talk about it anymore). The place where his arrogance is mostly brought up is in threads. I do believe he is arrogant, but not as much as you probably think. He has the personality for it. Messi, no. I'm sticking to the argument that he's just competitive and hates to lose. This is the last thing I'm saying about this. I don't even know why I involved myself. You will all continue to think what you think, and the same for me. Have a nice day.
no, i think spitting on others as though they are beneath you translates to having an ego. i also think that no one criticism him about it yet then having a mouthful to spew about Ronaldo translates as hypocrisy. but as it were we'll have to agree to disagree, have a nice day!
In terms of his celebrations, the silencing thing is done all over the world. That is a justified celebration if you score and happen to silence the crowd that's been giving you a hard time. I was talking more about the thigh poses and stuff. That's silly, no matter who you ask.
As for the whole "we voted for Messi because we don't like Ronaldo thing" how many people are we talking about here? Is it enough to call the whole thing a sham? I doubt it. Regardless, Messi was deserving. Barca still won 4 trophies last season, he scored a ton of goals, broke endless records, etc. He was hardly, undeserving. I also said "the majority of the football world can't be wrong about his skill", I'm not sure where the voting for the ballon d'or comes in. I was responding to the original commentor's opinion that she can't see how Messi is nearly as impressive as Ronaldo.
sorry about the split comments, the response was too long so it wouldn't post otherwise.
1) it's obvious by his tone that he was bitter and sarcastic by the abuse he gets, and 2) he IS handsome and rich, and damn right the majority of the men who supposedly "hate him" would probably give a limb to be him for a day! 3) the majority of the critics of look down on Cristiano cannot seem to separate his skills as a player and his persona, there can't be one fair criticism of his talent made unless there is a jab at his character taken somehow. until this stops happening, I, like a lot of CR fans, will not take said people seriously.
People can´t separate Cristiano´s and Leo´s skills and persona. Media has a power to label people. Journalists have values, attitudes and prejudicies like us all. They are not objective. This doesn´t mean they lie or want to harm people. My point is that we should not judge people so easily. And we definitely should not let our opinions about player´s personas to influence our opinions about their skills. A player can also have a public and a private persona.
I'm actually really happy for Celtic, even though I'm a barca fan. The way Celtic play was them maximising their skills, and doing their best against a team that keeps the ball 70% of the game and it worked for them this time, with the added benefit of maximising over Barca's defensive frailties. Not the first team to do it but I've decided that I'm not going to use the excuse of the other teams "parking the bus" as a way to get over a loss because at this point barca should have worked something out. it's been happening for a long time now. I'm so unbitter about this loss though, because Celtic are a classy and lovely team. They make me happy. I guess it also helps that this loss didn't really affect Barca's qualification into the next round
I am a Celtic fan and this is such a lovely comment to read so thank-you! We also think your team is extremely classy and lovely and it was amazing to play them, best football game iv ever been to and probably will go to for a very long time
I'm glad Barcelona lost.. There is nothing to like about them. Too many racist people on one team. Tbh, I don't know why people still watch the La Liga. There is no competition
Am I missing something? Who, besides Busquets two seasons ago, has been ever accused of anything racist? (Not that I'm defending him if he really said what was claimed.) It's a pretty sweeping generalization to make. If you don't like the team, you don't like them. But throwing such a word around is hardly fair.
David Villa, Cesc and Messi.
And this is all based on….? I'm genuinely asking, if they were racist in any way, I'd like to know. And i need solid concrete evidence of it instead of just your dislike for Barcelona as confirmation. Please.
I love that I get thumbed down for asking a genuine question. Again, that is a pretty hefty accusation to make about several people. If you're going to say things like that you should back it up. (The cesc accusation from last year was unfounded and he came out right away and defended himself vehemently.) just admit you don't like the team. There is nothing wrong with that.
LOL I love this! Haha I only watch Real Madrid play (Cris has been my favorite player for as long as I can remember), I don't care about the rest of La Liga, tbh.
I have a friend that lived in Barcelona for a while and she said so many Catalans are just not friendly at all. She said they weren't fond of foreigners. I've never been so I can't say much, but I feel like they do distance themselves, not just with the rest of Spain. I am a certified Barcelona hater and damn proud of it!
You're loving a sweeping, unfounded accusation of racism and championing your friend's prejudicial view of Catalans in the same comment. I don't get it.
Okay, I love the part saying "I'm glad Barcelona lost. There is nothing to like about them"…I'm not sure who on the team are racist, but I was just saying, in general that Catalans don't exactly have a great reputation with some foreigners. Of course, the same goes for Americans which I won't get in to.
Oh, you're a hater!? I never would have known! (sometimes it's to easy to be sarcastic)
After reading a comment like yours it's an even bigger mystery to me why it is Barca fans that are called arrogant here.
Well, you go love the EPL, where the crowd does monkey-sounds and monkey-gestures. And you ask yourself, "Is this better than in Catalonia, where I have never been?"
First of all, I NEVER said there aren't any racism whatsoever in the PL because there are a lot. I was only responding to her comment about Barcelona, so don't get your panties in a bunch!
Btw, I thought you were leaving?
I'm back! ha-HA! Nah, I never left, I couldn't leave Gladys all alone in here, could I ?
My point is, of course, that if you're gonna throw stones you better not live in a glass house.
Now, I'm gonna shake this off with a good run, catch some good games and be happy. I suggest you do the same. Forget about the hate, hun. We're all in it for the beautiful game, and men, and there is so much to appreciate.
What a great picture! Gotta love it!!
Congrats to Celtic! and I will ruffle a few feathers for my next opinion but I think Barca is highly overrated. They are a great team. But to call them the best team in the world? Not really. IMO all teams are beatable. FYI-I'm not a Madridista.
Oh you're not ruffling any feathers. Not in here. It's very fashionable to not like Barca so no one will get angry. Not even me, because I think you're probably right. Barcelona isn't the best team in the world. But they sure are among them. They happen to be my favourite team, but everybody is allowed to express their opinions.
Thanks for not being a rude fan . I still think Barca is great, and I believe Celtic had a bit of luck in play last night from their four leaf clover logo.:D
I always try not to be rude . But as I said I'm a minority here and I think I'll be better off if I just took a break from this place for a while. It's so difficult to get your point across in just writing, and in another language. Have a nice weekend!
No one, not even my respected Xavi, has the right to call antifootball what was only a perfect defense and a wonderful goalkeeper! Celtic almost did it at Nou Camp, remember? Congrats to the team and the people from Glasgow for yesterday's great match!
No one has called last nights game anti-football. Not even Xavi .
Or maybe he did? I'm confused. Anyway, I know I didn't. I hope.
I don't think he called it anti-football last night. I think since he has called it that in the past several times it's assumed he did last night too. I do know he had a ton of praise for them after the game.
Big big congrats to Celtic!!
Believe me, Rod Stewart was not the only man crying in Celtic Park last night, I was there last night with my dad and my brothers and a few of them were in tears at the end of the game. It was an amazing night. And what about Tony Watt, bought for £50,000 from Airdrie comes on and scores the winning goal against the best team in the world, his life will never be the same after that..
awww this feeling is the best
Ohhhh Celtic!!!!! What an inspired performance, I'm so happy for them!!! They all played out of their skin, Forster the goalie was amazing.
I hate this anti-football tag, tactics are tactics. You just gotta do what it takes to win. If it's not against the rules, what's the problem??
I agree. And I'm a Barca fan . Hey you have to do what you have to do to win. In American football there's a saying, the best offense is a good defense. The only thing I don't like if a game has hard or violent tackles.
I cried.. it was so awesome. Happy 125th Bday
I love that a team won again with way less possession so maybe perhaps Xavi stop label team with anti football no one have the right to call a style anti football! so Congratulation Celtic happy for you and the team
anti-football… or as the rest of the universe calls it, defending
Aah, call it what you will, "anti-football", "parking the bus", "defending". One thing is for certain though, it's bloody boring to watch. But there was nothing wrong with the crowd and the tifo! I loved it! And as I said, I don't mind losing against a team with such fantastic home crowd. I'm happy for them.
and barcelona playing volleyball is so boring to watch as well, you don't see anyone calling it " anti-football"
I don't think you can call the style Barca are playing 'volleyball'. Come on.
some do! when you pass around the penalty area with inability to reach the box, my cule friend called it that! I don't mind any style of the game as long as it works for the best ability of the team, I am a madridista, my culture as madridista is to aim for entertainment with winning, BUT if sometimes entertainment can be overlooked for the win I don't mind it as well, because in the end of the day I want win everything
I can't stand watching Barca play! I think I just detest them so much I can't handle it. Granted, I watch Spain play, but I am so anti Barca. Ugh people need to get over the fact that regardless of how much possession you have in a game, you can still lose. I am sooooo happy Celtic won. They deserved it! It would have been even sweeter had they kept a clean sheet, but hey they won and a massive congratulations to their team and fans. Anybody trying to take that away from them can f*** off.
I'm not calling anything "anti-fotball", Xavi did. I just think it's boring.
And I think Barca plays fantastic football, with their intricate passing, speed and ability to create something where there's almost no space at all. Last night the didn't. But honestly, can you think of a team, any team, in football today or in history that would play mind-blowing, beautiful, fantastic football against a team that defend that low (park the bus)? If you think Barca would then you have very high thoughts of them .
But not many other teams get to play against teams that "park the bus". Barca does quite frequently. And to blame them because of that is a rather backwards way of reasoning, don't you think.
I meant hand ball not volleyball sorry*
Wasn't the game exciting to watch? it was exciting to watch for me, seeing a team giving it all of defending their heart even they are parking the bus I don't see any football style boring unless a game is just boring regardless of what style they are playing, so I didn't call Barcelona boring or Celtic, I said if you think park the bus is boring then some think generally of barcelona boring " tiki-taka" even not against parking the bus team, so calling a style boring it is one thing, but calling a style "anti-football" is another anti football is not the equivalent of defending approach or parking the bus approach, anti football is equivalent to cheating on the pitch using violent style to win that's anti football
I'm not sure what we are discussing here, but I haven't called anything anti-football. There are different styles of football and different styles of defending. I understand why Celtic did what they did and they should be happy with their points. And of course I love it when underdogs win! BUT, if I'm honest, I would rather watch two teams equally attacking and defending. I prefer the game to be flowing all over the pitch, to be diversified and the pace to be high. For the sheer entertainment.
But again, I'm really happy for Celtic and their fans. Plus, there are quite a lot of Swedish interests in that club, so I kind of feel connected to it.
if you want equal attacking and defending why are you watching Barca… they cannot defend for anything
I am discussing the anti football label that's it, I just hate when people using it, I said Xavi because he does all the time!
It is always enduring to see underdog win I see it, especially with such incredible fans
Agreed. Parking the bus is not playing football, at least not the way it's intented to. I didn't see the Celtic/Barca game, so can't comment on that, but Chelsea's campaign in the last CL springs to mind.
parking the bus? last night? come on now… 2 goals?
When Barca figure out how to pass through defenders they will win again. They cannot figure out how to deal with any adversity, which is a huge problem for them. They are not entitled to free shots at will scoring goals. They need to earn goals and they did not do that.
If they are the greatest tactical team in the world, they should be able to breakdown defenses or in the alternative DEFEND themselves. This strategy has been highly effective against them for 4 years. You would think if they would at some point figure out a way to counter it. They have not and now they whine because other teams are using their clear weakness against them.
I love this ideal that every team should roll over for them because they can pass, side-to-side. No. Figure out how to split defenders, fake the GK but most of all stop being babies about it.
That's what have being said in Spain about them they don't have a plan B…it is true! they don't until this second figure out a way to stop what Mourinho started against them with Inter Milan
Hooray! Yes! Let's have more of THAT kind of football in the world!
Seriously, Spain has won the EC, the WC and then the EC again. Do they NEED a plan B? Barca has the best start of a season in the history of the club. Do THEY need a plan B? I'm asking you.
No one knows what happens in the future, but in the recent past as well as right now they are doing quite good. I'm not gonna give up on them after one game. And I hope they never change.
I didn't insult Barcelona!
You think Spain didn't get criticized or VDB didn't get butchered by the media, they did, they were called boring, they did, everyone questioned him not playing with a striker but they didn't care and kept on going and it worked, I didn't say you give up on barcelona, but their style doesn't have a plan b, a plan b would either stretching the defense by adding winger on the flanks which barcelona does by then keep on sending crosses to noone ever going to get because there is no true tall player or true number 9 in Barcelona, or try to pull the parking the team bus from their position it is harder to pull but it is plan B, they do neither, when they are faced vs big giant great defender with great keeping they lose because they stick with their plan, nothing wrong with that, but shouldn't complain about teams playing defensively or parking the bus infront of them, try to find a solution or just stick to what you do and hope for the best without complaining
I definitely didn't take it as an insult. And you are entitled to an opinion. I only concluded that thus far neither Barca nor Spain has had any need for a plan B. Not if you are considering their great successes. But who knows what the future holds? I still love the tiki-taka. It's fast, the dribbling and the passing is mind-blowing. And it seems that the world loves it too. There is no other way to explain the popularity of Barca around the world, if it wasn't for people actually liking it.
And you must know that there is a difference between complaining and discussing which kind of football you like? I don't like defensive football and you don't like tiki-taka. I respect your opinion. And I think I should be able to voice mine without being accused of complaining. I know I am a minority here but the same rules of argumentation must apply to me. No?
I never said I don't like tiki-taka, I am ok with any style of play! All I said all styles could be boring sometime regardless of what it is.
I didn't say you complained, I said Barcelona in general, I understand after Celtic game they didn't, but overall they did after every time they lost to this style
Ok, we got all the misunderstandings sorted. That's good! Now we can all have very good weekend!
lol, the "parking the bus"- strategy hasn't been effective against Barca. Where did you get that idea from?
They have been widely acknowledged as the best team in the world for about 4 years now and more than once they have played against teams that park the bus. If they hadn't been so good at managing that kind of situation they wouldn't have been so successful. But maybe you think it's a good strategy because Barca haven't won by four-five goals? Only just one? Again, I'd like to see that strategy being used towards other teams for a change. Then we would see how THEY would cope. I guess not as good as Barca. Simply because there is no team in the world that are better at creating opportunities in small spaces than Barca.
Why would they split defenders? They don't have to. They score anyway. Messi score with four defenders hangig from his back. Fake goalies? Messi and Iniesta do that all the time. Where have you been this past 4-5 years?
I was watching the lose the Champions' League to Inter (2010) and to Chelsea (2012), the league to Real Madrid (2011), lead Celtic over 180 minutes for exactly 1 minute, a team that had to play to qualify.
They were the best team in the world but they are highly beatable. All it takes is a disciplined team holding firm for 90 minutes, not that it is easy. It is however, highly effective because they cannot shoot through it and around it does not work
Oh but they do. They do shoot through it. Not all the time obviously, but many times. Enough times for them to have been very successful. As I said, no other team in the world would cope.
I wonder if the world would be happy if football once again turned into those tight, tactical "we score once and then defend our asses off for the remainder of the game"-bore fest that it was not too long ago? I would stop watching. I'd rather watch paint dry.
To be honest when RM met Barcelona last season and this season in Liga they barely allowed them a shot on target ( of course they did have shots on targets but even in the 2-2 one goal was fk the other was a misjudgement by Pepe), they read almost their move and pass, were able to know what their move be next, this require RM time because by now they know what are barcelona and read their players well. RM plays against barcelona with high line defense apply midfield pressure more than sit back and defend, basically what RM mostly does against all opponent but with less ball possession
Rm style of play isn't exactly the same like Chelsea..etc but they get the job done like them recently speaking
That's what I was thinking. RM didn't "park the bus" then, did they? They played with a high defense.
that RM team is not capable of playing 90 minutes of controlled defense. They are always attack minded and hope that Iker saves them in the end.
Just like Barca then. Like Pep said "Attack, attack, attack!" Attack is the best defense
Yeah agreed, but they have the level of focus to be able to read a team like barcelona and ability to read that final pass, or ability to cut their midfield passes or ability to take advantage of clumsy back pass….etc that's work for the best ability of RM since RM isn't exactly as you said a club like Inter or Chelsea, they can't park the bus even if they tried.
San Iker is always to save the day as always, but you can't deny the presence of Ramos, Pepe defensive ability as welll.
Although I think this time Xavi had positive things to say about Celtic, their fans and the atmosphere.
Yep, Celtic and Barca has a very friendly attitude towards one another. Xavi and Messi (i think) posed with Celtic banners and stuff before the game. Plus they share the same football hero: Henrik Larsson .
you really should take a look at how Barca and Celtic have been nothing but friendly, respectful and congratulatory of each other. probably a much better way of dealing with an opponent.
i have always leaned Rangers bc of the large American contingent they had, but I after this series I have nothing but love and respect for Celtic. definitely not my favorite style of play, but you play to your strengths and they definitely had the physical advantage. great team, great park, great fans, and nothing but class from the club and supporters. I hope barca meets them again, soon.
My comment is a general comment, good to see respect between 2 teams in the end of a game!
Thank god I have shown my shares of respect for rivalry for opponent and actually being taught to respect them and respect what present to the table, this is not about Barcelona Celtic game in specific, I speak about his lack of respect to an opposite style of what they play and call it "anti football as supposed Barcelona tiki-taka is football, that's lack of respect regarding you agree with him or not.
he even filed a complaint about it!
(brooks OUTDID himself with this one!)
Jajajajajajajajajajaja I can see Xavi pulling this off
I´m so bored of Barca style. And so happy for Celtic and cute Mr. Stewart! <3
I have same feeling like Mr Stewart…..Anything can happend in football:-))
Hahaha, oh me too! I think Barca is getting tired and uninspired playing against parked buses. But I can live with the loss because of the absolutely wonderful Celtic fans!
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